Good Morning Britain - Helen Joyce today

Here you go:

twitter.com/womenreadwomen/status/1456468315031805954?lang=en

It's taking two sets of statistics - the 2021 census stats showing the number of trans-identifying people in the population, and the MoJ stats showing how many trans women there are in prison for sex offences. That has enabled people to work out the comparative rates of offending for three groups: men, trans women and women.

@MorvenOfMalvern thanks for that.
Fascinating
Olivia could do was scream THIS NEVER HAPPENS BIGOTS HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE.

Oh and give incorrect statistics, I mean come ON Olivia, the census has just returned a "trans" figure so 🐂💩ing it down to 0.2 is just going to look odd.

Her final "women's aid" etc support this, was really disingenuous. I'm sure that one of the organisations she name checked has a transwoman in charge. So don't tell us women are speaking Olivia.

Interesting to hear it all called trans ideology though, Olivia is a true believer. The hate was on her face.

Helen Joyce is so very impressive.

Please can you give me the references for this
thank you

I'm no Tory but very grateful for Scott Benton's clear insistence on stating the issues today. Also impressed by the Freddie Sayers of UnHerd unemotionally explaining the facts, particularly around public and esp Scots public opinion.

Found details of the panel here

twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1614945254376935432?t=uFtz96ka2JrHhIP5vwr09A&s=19

Oh and Helen was magnificent.
Absolutely magnificent

I just watched it. Helen is so good - she is so on top of the issues. Understands and explains it really clearly. India, well, just isn't very bright.

And India's hopeless confusion over the school question. That was hilarious too......
Not to mention the LOOK AT MY PASSPORT I AM FEMALE. lol.

India apologised to Indias twitter followers. Apparently its hard down a phone line.

I'm sure it is India 👋
You can't shout over women when there's a mute button, can you? Or get the last word.

I was convinced the world would peak and the Terf Wars be won after India's behaviour on CBB, back in 2018. And yet, here we are.....

Ed Balls (husband of Yvette Cooper) was interesting at the end. Contemplating the situation and the effect it could have constitutionally. He couldn't quite believe it I think. Ed, it's not that hard. Come out of your bubble. When did we last pass a law which forces people to lie about fundamental reality?

Thanks just watched it and India waving the passport around 🙄

I've just watched the segment on Politics Live in BBC iPlayer - starts at 12.22-12.37 approximately.

Some really calm, clear explanation and discussion of issues by male members of the panel ( a Tory MP, Scott someone, the Editor of UnHerd and a man called Rafael...) The female panel member, a labour MP Olivia someone? came across as marginally unhinged with her clichéd hyperbole and almost shaking with anger replies.

Amazing that this was a nearly 15 minute segment of discussion, with a wide range of implications discussed.

But but water! Sometimes it goes off!
😆

And that's how you know your gendered soul doesn't match with your biological sex. Even when FATHERING A CHILD ffs. Lol.

Total whataboutary!

And brilliant.

India on single sex schools

"We're not in the business of segregating people"

That's literally their business

Just been uploaded to GMB on youtuvbe 10 minutes ago

Here

Thank you orangedoll - here's the link to that:

Also on YouTube

search for “The magnificent Helen Joyce GMB Jan 16 2023.”

Even the Guardian Journo is saying section 35 should be used in this case

Try catch up. ITVx, skip to about 7.20am

is this available anywhere to watch please.

Female Labour MP talking absolute Bollox, this law will have no effect on the Equality Act.

Just discussing this issue on BBC2 now Politics Live

I loved the way HJ made no facial reactions to IW's nonsense. Clear calm sensible.
Also
This "there have always been trans people " - "Yes, India, they are called transvestites (AGPs) and transsexuals". The latter are entitled to support and healthcare like everyone else. If they are vulnerable men in male only spaces, then provision should be made to protect them from men by offering a third space. Women are not human shields to protect men from other men.
AGPs can fuck off. They are entitled to no extra support.

I've just watched and can't see how anyone watching that will come away without more questions than answers.

IW starting point of not being able to speak for anyone else, and the multiple assertions of no one except trans people being able to say what being trans is like...just surely make anyone, even the completely new to this, say, "why do you think you know what a woman feels like then?" "Why are you here as a spokesperson if you're v clear you can't speak for anyone but yourself?"

What do "living as"mean
What does this mean for pay and pensions?
What about schools?
Hang on, we let convicted offenders choose their prisons?

The sunlight is streaming in, the inconsistency and obfuscation writ large.

HJ was clear, focused, unemotional, accurate, verifiable ...

The very fact this is getting this mainstream air time, EB and SR were a good mix of persistent and bemused, and that it was mentioned several times before the actual interviews is all something we wouldn't have sen happening not that long ago.

NS and the Scots Gov have created an absolute own goal by pushing everyone this far

IW has committed volleys of own goals by coming across so poorly

Because that would be a concession. A concession that women’s concerns are valid. In TRA World there can be no concessions because they know that is the death of their ideology. Every time a concession has been made, major shifts have happened.

Without the zealots like IW they have no case and the entire house of cards falls down.

What could possibly go wrong.