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Another reason why the BBC tread so lightly?

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AlwaysLeftie · 13/01/2023 21:30

There has often been discussion around why some institutions seem to be so easily captured by trans ideology. Well-regarded people within the organisation having a family member who is trans-identified is often thought to be one reason. No one wants to upset or offend, so the 'be kind' culture gets established, and no one wants to be the meanie pointing out the elephant in the room.

I've been following a certain cute-adopted-dog-from-abroad story featuring a BBC journalist. It appears the journalist has a trans-identified son. The story is absolutely heart warming, and the family seem completely lovely.

But I can't help thinking - this is a long-standing, well-loved journalist. Is this one of the reasons BBC editors have been quite so blind to the realities of trans ideology?

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SinnerBoy · 16/01/2023 13:49

Changingplace

You would do well to take anything that the Daily Mail say about the BBC with a huge pinch of salt, the Pride group are a staff network with no editorial control.

I take everything they write with a dose of scepticism, but it doesn't mean that they're wrong. The Beeb are in thrall to trans ideology. The Pride group may not officially have any hard status, but they are certainly influencing things there.

potniatheron · 16/01/2023 13:35

I think a lot of the most vocal TRAs have skin in the game and need to justify externally something that must cause a lot of cognitive dissonance and family heartache. Eg Mr Foxkiller's trans niece or Ms Chocolat's trans offspring.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 16/01/2023 13:20

Changingplace · 16/01/2023 12:16

The BBC is no longer affiliated with Stonewall whatsoever.

"Although the BBC will not be renewing its participation in the Diversity Champions Programme, in the future we will continue to work with a range of external organisations, including Stonewall, on relevant projects to support our LGBTQ+ staff."

It's very simple to show the lie in that statement, no matter how often you make it.

Quote taken from the BBC website.

OldCrone · 16/01/2023 12:26

Changingplace · 16/01/2023 12:18

You would do well to take anything that the Daily Mail say about the BBC with a huge pinch of salt, the Pride group are a staff network with no editorial control.

So what's your explanation for the bbc being totally captured by trans ideology?

Changingplace · 16/01/2023 12:18

SinnerBoy · 16/01/2023 08:43

Here you go, an article about trans influence at the BBC:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11638659/Has-fear-called-transphobic-led-BBC-allow-militant-pro-trans-group-censor-reporting.html

One senior BBC News insider says: ‘Quite a few people think they [BBC Pride] have too much power. They silence debate, especially over gender ideology. The BBC shies away from reporting the subject. It’s not balanced in any way. Staff are afraid of expressing gender-critical views.’

You would do well to take anything that the Daily Mail say about the BBC with a huge pinch of salt, the Pride group are a staff network with no editorial control.

Changingplace · 16/01/2023 12:16

WarriorN · 16/01/2023 07:29

When did the bbc get transwashed trained by stonewall?

The BBC is no longer affiliated with Stonewall whatsoever.

pattihews · 16/01/2023 09:31

AlwaysLeftie · 14/01/2023 11:40

Quick reminder not to feed the trolls who misrepresent, exaggerate and distract!

Could you point out who you're referring to as a troll, please?

pattihews · 16/01/2023 09:27

No, OP, suggesting that the BBC has become a bastion of genderism because one minor journalist has a trans child is daft.

This man, Phil Harrold:
www.bbc.com/aboutthebbc/whoweare/phil-harrold

has immense influence at the BBC and is an advocate at the highest level for the LGBTQ+ staff network. He's been named by BBC staff as a key influencer.

SinnerBoy · 16/01/2023 08:43

Here you go, an article about trans influence at the BBC:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11638659/Has-fear-called-transphobic-led-BBC-allow-militant-pro-trans-group-censor-reporting.html

One senior BBC News insider says: ‘Quite a few people think they [BBC Pride] have too much power. They silence debate, especially over gender ideology. The BBC shies away from reporting the subject. It’s not balanced in any way. Staff are afraid of expressing gender-critical views.’

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WarriorN · 16/01/2023 07:29

When did the bbc get transwashed trained by stonewall?

WarriorN · 16/01/2023 07:27

I suppose all that needed to happen was a staff audit that included a tick box or two saying "transgender" or "non binary" etc and anyone who knew about and fitted under stonewall's umbrella ticked that box.

Worldgonecrazy · 16/01/2023 07:24

ArabellaScott · 13/01/2023 23:34

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c845bae2-9377-11ed-beb4-99fcdfa7645c?shareToken=217d9586d687af757742096583505820

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5905129/BBC-chief-stunned-secret-staff-sex-survey-reveals-417-workers-transgender.html

'The BBC has more than 400 transgender staff, a confidential internal survey has revealed.

The figure represents more than one in 50 of the workforce – about four times higher than the proportion in the population at large.'

2018 figures. May well be different now, of course.

What happened in the five years previously? I used to work at the BBC, and my role took me to London (Broadcasting House) and around many of the English, Welsh and Northern Irish sites. I met and interacted with thousands of employees and not one was transgender. I can’t believe they went from none to several hundred so quickly.

WarriorN · 16/01/2023 07:18

I do know there are many at the bbc who are what you'd call GC. I met a local bbc news reporter (a tv news reader) at a local women's rights terf meeting in 2019 who is now down in London.

Her main concern back then was the lack of balance in output and from what she said she clearly had many colleagues who felt the same. She had no qualms being at the meeting and out talking about it.

@MandyMotherOfBrian thank you so much for all your work. I understand exactly what you're trying to say and it's an interesting perspective. There are most definitely certain 'types' of people and parents very invested in gender ideology.

(As an aside I'm absolutely desperate for a dog and would have a rescue but had assumed with a reception age child and 10 yr old it simply wouldn't be possible. Is it worth me contacting the dogs trust?)

Changingplace · 16/01/2023 00:43

GrumpyPanda · 15/01/2023 14:34

Looked it up now and it appears you are mistaken - at any rate this mere staff network has been quite explicitly demanding editorial input.

"Such emboldening was evident in June 2021, when leaked minutes of BBC Pride’s board showed they were demanding to “attend commissioning meetings” and play a role in “editorial processes” on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme."

archive.ph/SK9mg

They can ‘demand’ all they like, doesn’t mean the group has any editorial control or influence.

If you read further…

This escalated in what was reportedly a tense video call between Fran Unsworth, the former director of BBC News, and BBC Pride’s board in November 2021, when the BBC quit Stonewall diversity training.
Members of BBC Pride were “disappointed and frustrated” but Ms Unsworth was said to have told staff “you’ll hear things you don’t personally like… and you have to get used to that”.

A BBC spokesman said: “BBC Pride is a volunteer-led staff network which aims to support all LGBTQ+ staff. It is not an editorial team, has no role in directing editorial content and like the Telegraph Group’s ‘Out Loud’ LGBTQ+ network, our staff networks help ensure the BBC is an inclusive organisation.
“Editorial decisions about what the BBC broadcasts or publishes are made in accordance with our editorial values and standards, including our commitment to due impartiality.”

GrumpyPanda · 15/01/2023 14:34

Changingplace · 15/01/2023 07:58

It’s purely an LGBTQ staff network, it has no editorial influence or control whatsoever.

Looked it up now and it appears you are mistaken - at any rate this mere staff network has been quite explicitly demanding editorial input.

"Such emboldening was evident in June 2021, when leaked minutes of BBC Pride’s board showed they were demanding to “attend commissioning meetings” and play a role in “editorial processes” on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme."

archive.ph/SK9mg

Whyjustwhy123 · 15/01/2023 08:07

@MorvenOfMalvern sorry tgat was in reply

FrancescaContini · 15/01/2023 08:07

ArabellaScott · 13/01/2023 23:34

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c845bae2-9377-11ed-beb4-99fcdfa7645c?shareToken=217d9586d687af757742096583505820

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5905129/BBC-chief-stunned-secret-staff-sex-survey-reveals-417-workers-transgender.html

'The BBC has more than 400 transgender staff, a confidential internal survey has revealed.

The figure represents more than one in 50 of the workforce – about four times higher than the proportion in the population at large.'

2018 figures. May well be different now, of course.

I think these are the most pertinent points.

Whyjustwhy123 · 15/01/2023 08:07

That’s not my experience of U.K. rescues at all!

We got our dear dog when my kids were 5&7, he’s got no behavioural issues (well he steels food of left on the side - but that’s a breed issue) and he is brill on the lead, had no health issues etc. In fact the rescue we got him from won’t adopt our dogs with health issues they raise money to keep them in foster.

However we waited 9 months to find the right dog. And that’s what people get frustrated at.

Changingplace · 15/01/2023 08:01

Don't lets forget exposure of the toxic influence Stonewall had on the BBC

And don’t forget that the BBC has since pulled out of collaboration with Stonewall entirely.

Changingplace · 15/01/2023 07:58

GrumpyPanda · 14/01/2023 12:27

Wasn't there a piece just a few days ago about the incredibly well organized queer staff network at the BBC demanding editorial input? Though I may have seen that on Twitter. In any case, seems like there's much more to it than diffuse sympathies for co-workers.

It’s purely an LGBTQ staff network, it has no editorial influence or control whatsoever.

Changingplace · 15/01/2023 07:57

It’s purely an LGBTQ staff network, it has no editorial influence or control whatsoever.

SinnerBoy · 14/01/2023 13:23

nauticant · Today 12:11

The BBC were captured in the sense that those defining how the BBC handled gender identity ideology made a show of being true believers. There were plenty of non-believers but either their voices were marginalised or they knew that they'd best keep silent if they wanted to not damage their careers.

Yes, just look at what happened to Suzanne Moore and Hadley Freeman, when they were at the Guardian. Never mind Kathleen Stock, Alison Bailey, Lineham - people see what happens if they put their head above the parapet.

MorvenOfMalvern · 14/01/2023 12:40

MandyMotherOfBrian · 14/01/2023 00:04

I've been following a certain cute-adopted-dog-from-abroad story featuring a BBC journalist. It appears the journalist has a trans-identified son. The story is absolutely heart warming, and the family seem completely lovely.dopted-dog-from-abroad story featuring a BBC journalist. It appears the journalist has a trans-identified son. The story is absolutely heart warming, and the family seem completely lovely

Ahhhh. So I’m probably going to explain this badly but, I know about this bit, I didn’t know about the other bit you’re alluding to but there’s every chance there might be
parallels with regard to attitude.

I, and my DDs, are all involved heavily in animal rescue and volunteering and have been for years. My personal area of knowledge is dogs. I am experienced in training and specifically the behaviour of rescue dogs and their often complex needs. I’m a member and associate and fundraiser for more than one UK based dog rescue. Whilst I recognise that there are humanitarian reasons for wanting to rescue dogs from all over the globe, and I don’t disagree with those reasons, there are literally thousands of dogs in the UK that need homes. Thousands. They need the right home, not any home. The amount of people that claim that they tried soooo hard to get a dog but they just couldn’t so they had no choice but to import one, not their fault, the rescues fault, is large. They aren’t interested in the fact that the people gatekeeping are totally dedicated to the welfare of the dog and not the needs of the would be adopter. This guy you’re talking about said as much himself. Whiney, but we tried everywhere in the UK to get a rescue dog but they were toooooo strict. Boohoo. Nope. They were protecting the dog, you weren’t acceptable as per their policy so you went elsewhere where the standards were lower.

I see parallels. Does that make sense? Argh, I feel I’m explaining myself badly.

I disagree with this to an extent I'm afraid.

We've got rescue dogs from abroad - had absolutely no issues, great dogs matched to us, careful vetting and back up, video calls to check in etc. Their standards were in no way low. We were turned down for some we applied for as they had not checked them with children for example. Our dogs arrived well treated by vets, in good health, spade, lead trained, good with the children and smaller animals, house trained...they are an important and beneficial part of our family. They lead a wonderful life with an outdoorsy family and a ft WFH presence.

Our last rescue from the UK was a disaster, behavioural issues for life and in such poor health that she nearly had to be put down not long after we had her. When she died, no rescue would let us past registration because of the age of our children and our local shelters had very few dogs, all with lists of requirements and behavioural concerns as long as your arm.

It is fine to have standards and be stringent in vetting. I heartily approve and support that. But UK rescues are both only likely to have dogs that have issues in the first place, and unrealistic about the homes available. Foreign rescues are dealing with different dogs and circumstances. And to suggest anyone in the UK who adopts from abroad is doing it to be slack or a less good pet owner is wrong and offensive.

GrumpyPanda · 14/01/2023 12:27

Wasn't there a piece just a few days ago about the incredibly well organized queer staff network at the BBC demanding editorial input? Though I may have seen that on Twitter. In any case, seems like there's much more to it than diffuse sympathies for co-workers.