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Want to be considered for a best actress award? Stop pretending to be a woman!

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LurkyMcLurkLurk · 12/01/2023 20:19

Everything I've read about Emma D'Arcy has made me eyeroll hard enough to injure myself, but I think this time I may have done permanent damage.

www.yahoo.com/entertainment/house-dragon-emma-darcy-says-010622755.html

Emma can't help but notice that Emma found success only after Emma stopped "pretending" to be a woman, and isn't it "beautifully ironic" that Emma got nominated for a best actress award.

Oh and no fancy frock for Emma because Emma is non-binary. Emma was "doing trans", because Emma wore trousers and a skirt at the same time. "And nothing says non-binary like wearing both a skirt and trousers." My mind is blown - not only did I lose all sense of style in the noughties when I wore dresses over jeans, I actually cast off the shackles of womanhood too!

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Chersfrozenface · 14/01/2023 09:29

ZeldaFighter · 14/01/2023 08:27

Oops, I'm sorry, husband left it on in the background! It was a wander but....that woman was very clearly a woman and very competent and in charge in a man's game so it struck me that you don't have to opt out of womanhood to do that.

Well, quite. Couldn't agree more.

Volkswagenitalia · 14/01/2023 09:28

I think 'nothing says non-binary like wearing a skirt and trousers' might be one of the most sexist, regressive thing I've heard come out of these people's mouths! Up there with gold. lamè handbag.

I love Emma's style and is such a shame that she thinks that the fact she doesn't like dresses means she's not a woman - unless she doesn't think that at all andnon binary is just a good USP.

Maerchentante · 14/01/2023 09:01

It's all so "Look at me, look at me, why won't you look at meeeeee?"

Strangely enough, Emma doesn't seem upset that Emma was nominated in a gendered category. I wonder why that is.

Just recently came across a class photo taken in the mid 90's at my school in Germany. We all wore fairly baggy jeans and baggy sweat shirts, girls and boys. Some girls had short hair, some boys long hair. Does that mean we were all "non-binary"?

ZeldaFighter · 14/01/2023 08:27

Chersfrozenface · 14/01/2023 06:46

Wandering a bit off topic, the Scarlets were playing the Cheetahs in the European Challenge Cup.

Oops, I'm sorry, husband left it on in the background! It was a wander but....that woman was very clearly a woman and very competent and in charge in a man's game so it struck me that you don't have to opt out of womanhood to do that.

legalalien · 14/01/2023 07:35

ZeldaFighter · 13/01/2023 21:31

I went to a wedding in a trouser suit once - does that make me non-binary? ;-)

In other news, the woman refereeing the Scarlets against CHE (it's in Welsh and I'm not sure) in Welsh club rugby union is doing a bang up job!

I went to my own wedding in a trouser suit, I guess that makes me….. a married woman?

Chersfrozenface · 14/01/2023 06:46

ZeldaFighter · 13/01/2023 21:31

I went to a wedding in a trouser suit once - does that make me non-binary? ;-)

In other news, the woman refereeing the Scarlets against CHE (it's in Welsh and I'm not sure) in Welsh club rugby union is doing a bang up job!

Wandering a bit off topic, the Scarlets were playing the Cheetahs in the European Challenge Cup.

ZeldaFighter · 13/01/2023 21:31

I went to a wedding in a trouser suit once - does that make me non-binary? ;-)

In other news, the woman refereeing the Scarlets against CHE (it's in Welsh and I'm not sure) in Welsh club rugby union is doing a bang up job!

LurkyMcLurkLurk · 13/01/2023 15:45

Can't remember exactly what I said to figure out which was the problematic bit that got my comment deleted. But I did also try to say @Chersfrozenface that I 100% got what you meant, and no apology was necessary. :)

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Musomama1 · 13/01/2023 14:53

My theory fwiw is we don't have awesome music to rally our identities around at the moment which where NBs step in.

Plus the huge pressures to perform femininity - look at the beauty aesthetics industry. It takes a long time for women to feel comfortable in their own skin and realise that norms are bullshit - I personally went through many years of this and numerous helpful men telling me I wasn't a typical woman (I'd tell them to f off now).

These women are talented and intelligent, they have their shit together and even they are falling for the stereotypes trap

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MrsJamin · 13/01/2023 12:30
The article is taken from this interview. Oh the rage. Silly silly young rich women that don't have a clue how important their sex is. They'll find out one day.
msbevvy · 13/01/2023 11:29

In my youth I wore my Dad's old suit and tie and Doc Martens. I also drank many pints (when I wasn't drinking cocktails).
I was a proud member of a women's group.

I have never wanted to be anything other than a woman. Where on earth has all this gender stereotyping come from? Things have certainly gone backwards in recent years.

Ohyoudodoyou · 13/01/2023 11:19

In the '80's she'd have just been a Goth and grown out of that.

Musomama1 · 13/01/2023 11:13

News flash to acting Emma's, not performing femininity does not make you something in-between a male and a female.

ReunitedThorns · 13/01/2023 11:00

Someone should repost the meme from the Bingo thread.

Nothing say "I have no personality" better than declaring yourself non-binary.

SelfPortraitWithHagstone · 13/01/2023 10:13

Flowers @scratchedbymycat . It's just so exhausting to be rightfully angry all the bloody time, isn't it?

By the way I love "I will not further and I will not forgive", it's got a fantastic oratorical ring to it.

Bestcatmum · 13/01/2023 10:04

I can understand someone being born into the wrong sex and being desperate to be a man/woman. You'd have to be to go through all the surgery and grief involved in a sex change.
But I think non binary is absolute bollocks. Its just another attention seeking piece of nonsense. I've always been into manlt things. Motorbike riding, always playing with boys when I was a kid. A right tomboy. I like to wear trousers. Can't remember the last time I dressed in a feminine way. I'm not non binary, I'm a woman and happy to be one. I dont need an attention seeking label.

Chersfrozenface · 13/01/2023 10:03

Sorry, the sarcasm comment wasn't a pop at @LurkyMcLurkLurk but at the whole "non-binary" BS.

I am as yet uncaffeinated and consequently not firing on all cylinders.

Chersfrozenface · 13/01/2023 09:56

I have been wearing dangly earrings and drinking pints since the late 70s.

How awesomely non-binary am I. /sarcasm off

scratchedbymycat · 13/01/2023 09:32

Fucks sake, I'm so angry today. Like bubbling rage in my tummy. Just ranted very angrily at my husband about his lazy ass passive in the face of female oppression sex class.

I'm angry with HIM too: "Tell me what to do", he says.

"Why the fuck do I have to tell you what to do? Why can't you just see this and be angry and DO something? Did apartheid need to be explained to you, FFS!"

Now I'm crying.

Let's have all the lead roles in all the films be non binary / trans. ALL of them. And let's see what that does to the film industry and its right-on gender-fluid performers. How long will they keep earning money? How quickly will they embrace being male or female again and declare that a progressive stance. I will not further and I will not forgive.

I really hope history judges these individuals for their participation in the eradication of women.

teawamutu · 13/01/2023 09:20

I thought I'd got confused and there was only one posh twit called Emma wanging on about not being a woman while playing female roles (incidentally, is this not something of a no-no? Or does that only apply one-way? #rhetorical).

MiladeeBeserko · 12/01/2023 23:13

LurkyMcLurkLurk · 12/01/2023 21:44

My turn:
Nothing says non-binary like eating a Yorkie while wearing a ball gown.
Nothing says non-binary like wearing dangly earrings and drinking pints.
Nothing says non-binary like scratching your arse while soaking in a scented bubble bath.

With the exception of Yorkie but other type of cheap chocolate types apply...
Have done all of these and still female.

Although, in truth, I don't often find the need to scratch my arse. Maybe I'm blessed.

BringerOfDoom · 12/01/2023 22:34

Now gender identity is a strategy.

Wellies54 · 12/01/2023 22:10

LurkyMcLurkLurk · 12/01/2023 21:44

My turn:
Nothing says non-binary like eating a Yorkie while wearing a ball gown.
Nothing says non-binary like wearing dangly earrings and drinking pints.
Nothing says non-binary like scratching your arse while soaking in a scented bubble bath.

I think I'm going to try all of those! Not sure they'll change my 'gender' though!

It did occur to me after reading the other thread about the Brits:

Nothing says Non-binary AFAB like 'I'm non-binary but thank you soooo much for my award for best actress'
Nothing says non-binary AMAB like 'I'm non-binary ad am soooo excluded by your out dated male/female categories, you must make everything gender neutral just for me'

puffyisgood · 12/01/2023 22:09

yeah, y'know, she's a woman who's not at all comfortable with 'female stereotypes', so she uses another word for herself, a made-up one... this strikes me as silly in a 30 year old but nowhere near as bad as grown men insisting that they're something/some word that has already been taken for many centuries.

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