People from our side being vocal on Twitter re gender identity ideology in schools

They (the teachers and SLT responsible) really don't see themselves as political activists though. They just see themselves as decent people and think that all right-minded people think like they do.

They don't understand the issues, and anyone who tries to raise them is dismissed.

Yes.

Few spend much time reading the news and many would just read the guardian if they did.

The other issue is it's peddled left right and centre by tonnes of resource providers that they assume there's no issue.

The dfe guidance would be read by RSE coordinator but not necessarily given as a flat blanket message.

When it's specifically outlined in keeping children safe in education (KCSIE) so that Ofsted then specifically look for evidence the school is making sure guidance is embedded, it will be common understanding among all school staff.

My guess is that question was answered by someone with a lot of following (Barry maybe?) and many have replied.

It's v interesting few / no? Other teachers have offered other ideas though.

Many will be reading though.

Para 35 from Keeping Children Safe in Education:

"causing someone to engage in sexual activity without consent, such as forcing someone to strip, touch themselves sexually, or to engage in sexual activity with a third party".

IANAL but arguably forcing a girl who doesn't consent to undressing in front of a boy to change into a swimming costume could be seen as a form of sexual abuse? You have to strip in order to put on / take off a swimming costume. A teacher insisting on unconsenting girls doing this could possibly be laying themselves open to charges under the Sexual Offences Act 2003?

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1101454/Keeping_children_safe_in_education_2022.pdf

*ScrollingLeaves · Today 11:41

Scenario I) My daughter doesn't want a boy changing next to her, what if he looks at her body?
For example, in this scenario it would not be appropriate to remove the trans person from the changing rooms if a concern is raised by a parent or carer. In this situation, it would be far more appropriate to look at offering an alternative changing arrangement for the child who feels uncomfortable around the trans person. A Human Rights response would be to state that although the individual in question may have the body of a boy, they are in every other respect a
girl and as such have the right under the Equality Act to change with the girls* and to be treated fairly as such.

Surely that's complete and utter bullshit? I remember discussing this elsewhere and the school said that the girl's class could all get changed in a cupboard, or a single toilet, whilst the special person could have the entire changing room.

WaffleDogBlanket · Today 14:20
Is there honestly no oversioght of safeguarding at all in the UK?

Do Ofsted not have some overarching responsibility for safeguarding policies like these that out children at so much risk?

It’s possible OFSTED is institutionally captured, but I don’t know for sure. Someone on one of these threads once said they were not rating schools ‘outstanding’ unless they were doing gender rubbish, but unfortunately I don’t remember what the evidence provided was.

Because gender identity is special, the new scared caste. We are meant to believe that they are not like other people and therefore not subject to the same safeguarding standards.

Five times more “special identity people” in the male prison estate are there for sexual offences than the general prison population in the male estate. We are not meant to take this into consideration because no one supposedly would claim a special identity for nefarious reasons.

Is there honestly no oversioght of safeguarding at all in the UK?

Do Ofsted not have some overarching responsibility for safeguarding policies like these that out children at so much risk?

How can a Federation running 30 schools be allowed to have such a poor understanding of their legal duties?

Petition to update the Equality act to make clear that sex means biological sex.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

Is everyone here aware of the petition to update the Equality Act to make clear that sex means biological sex?

If the government would do this, that’s how to get through to schools that under the Equalities Act the protected characteristic of sex does allow for entirely sex based spaces, and does allow for not including someone of the opposite sex - whatever they identify as.

The person of the opposite sex may be offered a suitable third space, or the facilities used by others of their sex.

That is the law but not being understood as such due to lack of clarity.

That is just so terrifying. And the lack of the consideration for the girls involved is mind blowing.

Here is that school’s guidance written out.

Where a child's trans identity is known to the wider school community schools
will need to ensure that they have a robust language using the Equality Act and a Human Rights approach to counteract any prejudice expressed or concerns raised. Additionally, when a parent or carer raises a concern about the safety of their child when spending time in the company of a trans identified pupil or staff member it is vital that staff focus on the 'problem being with the person who raises the concern and not with the trans individual. Therefore,
support work should be aimed at answering the question "how can we make your child feelnmore safe?" rather than compromising the rights of the trans person.

Scenario I) My daughter doesn't want a boy changing next to her, what if he looks
at her body?

For example, in this scenario it would not be appropriate to remove the trans person from the changing rooms if a concern is raised by a parent or carer. In this situation, it would be far more
appropriate to look at offering an alternative changing arrangement for the child who feels uncomfortable around the trans* person. A Human Rights response would be to state that although the individual in question may have the body of a boy, they are in every other respect a
girl and as such have the right under the Equality Act to change with the girls and to be treated fairly as such. It is the responsibility of members of staff to support both trans* students and
cisgender students to feel comfortable around one another.*

nilsmousehammer · Today 09:38
How on earth do you square teaching this to young girls?

Girls, the NSPCC say be aware of your body signals when you're worried or uncomfortable or upset. Anyone asking you to do anything like get undressed that makes you feel those signals, you should say NO. Your body and your boundary are YOURS.

.....unless it's a classmate who's a boy who has invoked the magic words.

Then however worried and uncomfortable and upset you may feel, and however much you do not want to get undressed in front of him, you must hide those feelings like a good girl and show your body as your teachers tell you to prove to this boy how important he is and how much the teachers value him.

Oh and yes, we've given you some confusing ideas now about you can only say no to people wanting you to do things with your body that they want but make you unhappy..... really, a 'no' should be predicated on whether you may upset a male person. But only special male people. You'll work it out.

Quite.

Look at this schools guidance screenshot a parent put on that tweet thread. Another poster has mentioned this too.

The Equality Act for the protected characteristic ‘sex’ of a whole group of girls is turned on its head to favour one boy who feels he wants to be a girl ( characteristic ‘gender’ )

twitter.com/galluslass/status/1613171640472580096?t=hj0Ga9TBFZawxDoaadoZtw&s=19

This really reminds me of "the law as you wish it" not how it is...

Oh the NSPCC have also stood behind the pants campaign AND simultaneously telling girls to be kind and not do the pants campaign in the case of a boy who invokes the TQ+ protections. When they were due to come to a MN 'webchat' and knew they'd be confronted with this absolute conflict and dereliction of responsibility they ran away.

I have no patience with either organisation you mention and fully agree. But it makes to me an absolute hypocrisy of teaching the Pants Campaign in school.

It would be a good one, if there weren't this quiet little caveat for girls.

*Girls, the NSPCC say be aware of your body signals when you're worried or uncomfortable or upset. Anyone asking you to do anything like get undressed that makes you feel those signals, you should say NO. Your body and your boundary are YOURS.

.....unless it's a classmate who's a boy who has invoked the magic words.*

Except the NSPCC don't say that, do they?

twitter.com/lilylilymaynard/status/1285982284353540099?s=46&t=psqmr3CrLV1fGlQW-Lmf5w

And there was rubberwankman and their response to that. Telling people off for "kink shaming", and a referral to the Charity Commission which seems to have either never reported, or reported under the radar. It was never made public.

And the James Esses case to do with Childline. So the list goes on.

How the hell there's never been an investigation into the NSPCC and Childline, I'll never know.

How on earth do you square teaching this to young girls?

Girls, the NSPCC say be aware of your body signals when you're worried or uncomfortable or upset. Anyone asking you to do anything like get undressed that makes you feel those signals, you should say NO. Your body and your boundary are YOURS.

.....unless it's a classmate who's a boy who has invoked the magic words.

Then however worried and uncomfortable and upset you may feel, and however much you do not want to get undressed in front of him, you must hide those feelings like a good girl and show your body as your teachers tell you to prove to this boy how important he is and how much the teachers value him.

Oh and yes, we've given you some confusing ideas now about you can only say no to people wanting you to do things with your body that they want but make you unhappy..... really, a 'no' should be predicated on whether you may upset a male person. But only special male people. You'll work it out.

twitter.com/Transgendertrd/status/1613190410700193792?t=llkaLTUQHdAoKFZZVCEUbw&s=19

That thread is almost unanimous!

Interesting then that the instigators of the original post have retweeted any answers hat mentions something different and not acknowledged the issue at hand openly.

People are sharing some absolutely shocking school policies and practices. The one from a Federation of 30 schools that says that any female student having an issues with being made to change in the presence of a boy should be told that although they may appear to a the body of a boy but they are in every way a girl or something like that....and that the focus on anyone raising concerns about trans issues in school should be on the complainer not what they're raising as a concern. Absolutely AWFUL.

I've just read an article on the BBC about schools being worried about the influence of Andrew Tate and how they're doing everything they can to combat his ideology, and I was left thinking "if only there was another ideology you were this worried about".

@Leafstamp this one

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/618970

Leafstamp, are you on Twitter? If so could you add that petition about gender identity in RSE lessons in schools?

I'm still very confused about what having a trans godparent has to do with promoting illegal sexual activity and abusing animals to children.

How exactly are those two things connected?

Molly you're OK with bestiality because you have a trans godparent?

That's a powerful argument against safeguarding children 😕

Oh they'll have huge, huge boundaries about 'you can't say that' and 'you can't say no to that person who wants you to do that'. Huge. Call the police type boundaries.

They will just have been trained to have boundaries that suit those who wish to use others, and to divide society in those who get to do what they want, and make choices and have their feelings and boundaries cared about, and those who do what they're told by that powerful group however it makes them feel (and if they feel badly about it it's their fault) or else.

Lundy Bancroft could write an entire lecture tour about the abusive tactics involved.

It's not only about the rampant and widespread failure of teachers, LEAs and politicians to safeguard children, as disgusting and shameful as that is.

Raising generations of children to become adults who have no sexual or personal boundaries is going to have a horrifying impact on society as a whole.