Politics Live 10 Jan - Scottish Gender Reform Bill - will it be blocked by Westminster?

I think the original BC still exists but no longer available.

Since a significant number of TW for example are heterosexual middle aged males, I don't think its unreasonable to assume that many if them have had offspring.

So from my reading of it, the child wouldn't be able to get a hold of the BC. I can't see they would be able to get the reissued one (many may not even know their father has transitioned). So essentially their parent no longer exists?

(I might be wrong)

Sonia Sodha and Zoe Trempel, thank you so much for your articulate advocacy.

Thank you for making this pertinent point, Sonia.

I’m going to listen to this later - thank you.

@Abccde I've only ever heard this referenced on FWR. Not discussed anywhere else that I've heard. It's what I mean, there is zero consideration for any other stakeholder amidst the "most marginalised and vulnerable" narrative.

I don't understand how it works with kids.

If they go to get a birth certificate of their parent what will it show?

Does the existing birth certificate still exist?

What about the parents - some who may be deceased. They are named on the birth certificate. One of the parents has registered the birth?

They are multiple people that may be impacted by a birth certificate being falsified.

As a red headed, left handed female, I have no hope!

The point regarding a death certificate being upsetting for a partner if it shows birth sex rather than gender identity indicates how single focussed these arguments are. How about the feelings of the trans widows and the fatherless kids?

Waiting times for trans people unbelievably long. Not enough medics in UK for T P needs. Moving away from trans being a medical condition

These two sentences contradict each other.

I find the "of course some people are trans" a little frustrating as the analysis needs to be so much deeper. Obviously there's not time in a format like Politics Live. But is it a sexuality, is a sense of deep unease in a body, or is it a medical condition? It may well be part of the rich tapestry of the human condition, but not one of those three explanations is adequate to support removal of safeguarding and solidarity spaces for women and girls.

In response to "some people are trans" the question needs to be how does society accommodate that sensitively. Not this is the situation, don't ask questions, move over and shut up women.

That's not how safeguarding works RMW

Oh yes this bit:

If a single red headed person is a criminal, we don't criminalise all red headed people.

I loved Sonia's repressed eye roll when RMW tried to compare something with people with red hair.

Zoe was wonderful hair woman - she was great.

It was good to have an all woman studio panel for once. 👏

Thanks will watch later. Bloody love Sonia.

The reply illustrates the preference for the affirmation model and ignores the question, which is whether people with gender dysphoria will come off worse under self-ID.

I honestly think when GRCs were initially introduced, most people were blissfully ignorant of their existence. It has taken many many years of women raising concerns, for more people to become aware that males can get legal recognition as females, and enter previously believed single sex spaces. Now the cats out of the bag women will not stand for this. It is such an obvious safeguarding loophole things must be changed. For the sake of future generation of children we must repeal the GRA

It's a shame they didn't talk more about the gatekeeping for children and detransition issues

That data is just England and Scotland.

I found that comment from RMW quite sinister.

Me too.

https://www.womensrights.network/post/what-actually-is-the-risk-posed-by-transwomen

compared to men, transwomen are 251% more likely to commit and be convicted of a sexual offence.

transwomen are 38742% more likely to commit and be convicted of a sexual offence than women.

And that's just the transwomen.

What about the predatory males who will deliberately exploit the loopholes in Scotland?

We do recognise the dangers from males. I was walking home at about 6pm the other night and a man walked really close to me. Way too close. Then he went down a different road to me (residential area, a well-trodden route from a train station) and I felt immediate relief.

Part of me wanted to turn round and ask him not to walk so close. But you don't, do you? You don't take the risk. Most males can kill most females with their bare hands. You can't identify out of that.

While I'm at it, so fucking what if all these other countries have self-ID? Doesn't mean they're right. Doesn't mean they're havens for women's safety whereupon this doesn't matter. Doesn't mean they're not also patriarchal nations where women have been silenced and their needs and concerns designed out.

I was punching the air when Sonia and wonderful hair woman were clarifying the issues 💪 they got some great points in.

RW's statement comparing with gay - was RMW part of the gang who lobbied to get T included? Or was the SW?

So insidious. Snp clearly showing they don't care about women.