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Domestic abuse and sexual violence against transgender and non-binary people surges

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IwantToRetire · 09/01/2023 17:13

Reports of domestic abuse and sexual violence against transgender and non-binary people has surged by 18 per cent, according to new data.

Figures, provided by Victim Support, show reports of domestic and sexual violence against trans and non-binary people jumped from 266 in 2020/21 to 315 in 2021/2022.

The data, which the national charity shared exclusively with The Independent, includes victims who seek help from Victim Support, as well as those who are referred to the organisation by the police.

The charity warned they are hearing reports of abusers using their victim’s transgender identity as an excuse to be violent and abusive to them.

uk.news.yahoo.com/domestic-abuse-sexual-violence-against-171011069.html

I think it is right that we have up to date statistics on all forms of abuse. But the cynic in me wonders if this isn't just a PR move by Victims Support who are concerned about the damage to their reputation once Sarah's case goes to court. :(

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BringerOfDoom · 14/01/2023 02:49

I think they are more vulnerable to abuse. I will give them that. But I don't think they are the most healthy sound of mind types of people. So I think they are more likely to draw in people that are equally unhealthy and not sound of mind. Not that that makes it okay or it is their fault. It's a really sad situation all around. I mean they probably grew up with really rough family lives and are trying to make sense of all the insanity that life has brought them. And being trans is their only way of making sense of it all. But you have a point. I've become very skeptical of statistics. I sadly wouldn't be shocked if it was intentionally exaggerated.

IcakethereforeIam · 14/01/2023 01:52

Or this

Domestic abuse and sexual violence against transgender and non-binary people surges
DaughterOfPsychiatrist · 14/01/2023 01:39

MargaritaPie · 14/01/2023 01:37

Show me where anyone has said misgendering "is violence".

HTH

Domestic abuse and sexual violence against transgender and non-binary people surges
MargaritaPie · 14/01/2023 01:37

Show me where anyone has said misgendering "is violence".

DaughterOfPsychiatrist · 11/01/2023 05:15

MargaritaPie · 11/01/2023 01:42

Talk about a strawman

Strawman, Marge? What on earth are you on about?

i directly answered your question - we can’t just ‘believe’ people who say things that are demonstrably untrue (eg TWAW).

That would be extremely poor safeguarding practice, for starters.

MargaritaPie · 11/01/2023 01:42

DaughterOfPsychiatrist · 11/01/2023 00:46

It got eclipsed by the ‘TWAW’
and ‘Misgendering is literal violence’ campaigns, if I recall correctly, Marg?

Talk about a strawman

IwantToRetire · 11/01/2023 01:18

You get your news from Yahoo?👀

What is the point of your question?

First off if you had gone to the link you will see it is reprinted from the Independent as they often reproduce behine the paywall articles so making them free.

Secondly if you had read the article you would see that the stats come from Victim Support.

Not forgetting that many of us use a range of news sources because it is clear all papers have their own form of censorship or slanting the news.

In fact I regularly go to yahoo because they are one of the many news outlets that are relentlessly trans, and it is worth keeping an eye on what they are saying.

Do you actually have any interest in the story or were you at a lose end and thought you would randomly drop into a thread and just say the first thing that came into your head.

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Thon · 11/01/2023 00:49

You get your news from Yahoo?👀

DaughterOfPsychiatrist · 11/01/2023 00:46

MargaritaPie · 10/01/2023 19:00

What happened to the "we believe you" campaign?

It got eclipsed by the ‘TWAW’
and ‘Misgendering is literal violence’ campaigns, if I recall correctly, Marg?

MargaritaPie · 10/01/2023 19:00

ArabellaScott · 09/01/2023 17:19

Trans activists cried wolf too often, I'm afraid.

If you're out proactively drumming up reports of 'hate incidents' and complaints on Twitter and claiming that stickers and 'misgendering' is abuse then you are going to undermine people's confidence in data and integrity.

Which is shit, because of course nobody should suffer any form of abuse.

Agree that Victim Support have no credibility after the way they've behaved over the past year or two.

What happened to the "we believe you" campaign?

FusionChefGeoff · 09/01/2023 22:01

I'd be pretty confident it's all to do with the number of people in the population who ID as trans / NB increasing.

Ergo violence against them will increase as there's more of them

Internetstranger · 09/01/2023 21:55

loumoo · 09/01/2023 17:20

I don't have time to look at stats but I'd imagine the number of trans and NB population has also increased in the timeframe? Maybe not by 18% but will be significant.

This. 262000 identified as transgender on the census. It used to be unheard of. Of course stats go up as a population increases

nilsmousehammer · 09/01/2023 21:52

I wish I could remember the name of the person from the DV organisation who spoke on Radio 4, I think WH, and said that two women on her caseload would not come into the services because of it being mixed sex, and that women's lives would eventually be lost to this vanity project that will not permit an inclusive range of services that meet all needs instead of obey a political agenda.

There is no way of knowing how many of those 2-3 women who die a week might have been unable to leave the situation they died in because services were made unaccessible to them to avoid offending male people and a political lobby.

nilsmousehammer · 09/01/2023 21:48

ArabellaScott · 09/01/2023 17:24

So those are Survivor's Network's figures only. a charity that has come to prominence because of its placing trans people ahead of women.

I expect that might have something to do with an increase in trans people contacting them. I suppose we would only know were we to look at other data from other similar agencies.

Great that trans/non binary people have support - if only it didn't come at the expense of women's services.

The 'at the expense' part cannot be repeated enough.

We know that some women have lost access to support services for DA and SV altogether because of this prioritisation of male people with TQ+ identities over remaining accessible to and inclusive of women.

What funding shifts have been made to reflect that the demand on and cost of the men's services have decreased as male people use both the men's and women's services? And how has the women's budget, capacity and services been increased to reflect this?

Or have women simply lost more as the women's service pivoted and tried to do more for more people at the expense of what they could previously offer to women in a women only service?

Or was this the plan, that mixed sex provision would bump some women out of any provision at all, and so open up capacity that way? What are we going to do about this group of women with no services at all, much more likely to be in life threatening situations? Because being asked to be concerned about an increase in statistics suggesting that DV and SV is a serious problem is a bit - odd - when it's in the frame of it not mattering for the women who have lost all access and support altogether, and not mattering for the women in prison.

Sex based discrimination front and centre as usual. Brought to you by the politics who claim sex changes and/or doesn't exist.

ClitoralViolence · 09/01/2023 21:37

The question is, is it literal (actual beaty fists) violence) or literal (written hurty words) violence?

When people are so out of touch with reality they imagine themselves to be the opposite sex, or something else altogether, their literal (read-y and writey) comprehension skills tend to suffer too.

postcardpuffin · 09/01/2023 20:33

female service users were often in actual life threatening danger, while male service users with TQ+ identities were very rarely in this position

This is very important. Hurt feelings because of being called the wrong pronoun, or even someone shouting a name in the street, might be upsetting; but it isn’t remotely the same as being battered or strangled by a physically violent husband to the point of death. And we need to stop conflating them, for the sake of accuracy and women’s safety.

IwantToRetire · 09/01/2023 20:23

Linked though not the same is the issue of "sex by deception" which has been used as a defense in court cases. There were (still are?) campaigns to make this an unacceptable claim.

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IwantToRetire · 09/01/2023 20:20

@ArabellaScott Sorry the mix up between groups is my fault. I skim read the article before posting link, and nowhere does it mention Survivor's Network. Obviously letting my anger with them influence my response.

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Findwen · 09/01/2023 20:10

The ONS in that page also says 5% of men suffer domestic abuse -- Trans and non-binary folk really enjoy safe lives in the UK. A thing to be proud of I think.

Findwen · 09/01/2023 20:07

2 years data is meaningless. 2 data points do not a good trend line make.

Didn't the census say something like a total of 250,000 odd people are trans and non-binary ? 316/250,000 is 0.01%

By way of comparison, the ONS believes nearly 7% of women are a year: www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/domesticabuseinenglandandwalesoverview/november2022

I guess being Trans or non-binary is actually really safe... phew !

ArabellaScott · 09/01/2023 19:54

ArabellaScott · 09/01/2023 17:24

So those are Survivor's Network's figures only. a charity that has come to prominence because of its placing trans people ahead of women.

I expect that might have something to do with an increase in trans people contacting them. I suppose we would only know were we to look at other data from other similar agencies.

Great that trans/non binary people have support - if only it didn't come at the expense of women's services.

Sincere apologies, I got muddled - the figures are from Victim Support, not Survivor's Network.

Can't find them reported at all on the website, but there is this:

www.victimsupport.org.uk/new-research-shows-police-failing-to-act-on-domestic-abuse-reports-ethnic-minority-victims-hit-hardest/

'Domestic abuse victims are reporting abuse to the police upwards of three times before appropriate action is taken, with Black and ethnic minority victims being disproportionately dismissed and side-lined, according to new research by Victim Support.

The research, released to mark 16 days of action on violence against women and girls, reveals that almost half (48%) of Black and ethnic minority respondents felt the police treated them differently because of their ethnic background or heritage.'

nilsmousehammer · 09/01/2023 19:35

Also just considering that down the road at the women's prison, the women are being asked to suck up sexual harassment, violence and rape from male TQ+ people as just one of life's little downsides. And without the option of being allowed to escape it.

nilsmousehammer · 09/01/2023 19:27

Yes but we know from the ex wives of some of these claimants that 'domestic abuse' can be using the wrong pronouns or 'dead naming'. And that strategic reporting for PR purposes is a thing.

So I'm afraid at this point I don't really believe much.

I do however remember at one of the Scots government meetings where women and refuge leaders talked to very deaf ears their reporting that female service users were often in actual life threatening danger, while male service users with TQ+ identifies were very rarely in this position.

IvyTwines · 09/01/2023 19:09

@TheClogLady there was that transman a few months ago 'positively' displaying bruising from being beaten.

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