Upsetting story from Glinner re. misgendering by a disabled woman

Imagine repeatedly & deliberately causing a woman with a developmental disability (& statistically, quite likely cardiac issues) such acute distress. The level of self-absorption required for such selfishness is staggering even to contemplate.

Quite.

The other thing I think is striking in this story is that, for all the woman has limited language, far from being confused, she completely and viscerally knows the truth - that this is not a woman but a man.

I think in many ways a child, or an animal like a dog or horse might be the same. And it really is the truth, not some mistake made by ‘limited’ minds.

It is an outrage to have these legal falsehoods take precedence over a truth which is fundamentally important to existence.

From the language used I think they’re in the US @ScrollingLeaves; & as the commenters suggest, companies will bend over backwards for trans employees. (Unless it suits them to argue that trans people are at risk of losing their jobs just for being trans [& that is why a disproportionate number of TW “do sex work”] of course.)

The ADA, of course, guarantees the lady who works as a courtesy clerk, protections under the law. No legal rights for women as a sex class in the US though.

Depending on where in the US they are, the individual complaining may not legally be allowed to use the women’s toilets. OSHA, being subject to institutional capture, merrily slides round that fact; cheerily bringing up the shameful misappropriation of Title IX by the trans lobby.

That disingenuous wail of “what can I dooooooo?” is frankly shameful. How “lucky” this individual has a supply of people ready & willing to support their ableism; & tell them that a perfectly reasonable response is to destroy the life of a woman who actually will (despite the ADA) struggle to find alternative employment. Ugh.

Imagine repeatedly & deliberately causing a woman with a developmental disability (& statistically, quite likely cardiac issues) such acute distress. The level of self-absorption required for such selfishness is staggering even to contemplate.

Because "no debate" and "acceptance without exception " means just that. Though we seem to be hearing less of that stance lately.

OP I think this is a reasonable subject for a thread, you have been fair imo. As you say neither you nor Glinner put it out in the world.

I'm prepared to imagine a scenario that excuses the tw, but not one for all of their nasty commentors. And my sympathy rests firmly with the individual with Down's syndrome.

Am I alone in thinking that when something like this happens to some transpeople it's like all their Christmases have come at once. Some will be genuinely (and perhaps rightfully) devastated. But others can take their victimisation (the most vulnerable/marginalised/oppressed) get their validation from their community and weaponise it.

Perhaps this tw has stuff going on and it's short circuited their empathy. Perhaps befriending their co-worker, instead of monstering them, is beyond them for some reason. Perhaps they're damaged and deserve sympathy. Perhaps they're not just a twat

Wonder if this will be deleted?

This is very upsetting. The young woman with Downs is brave and honest. She's also very vulnerable and deserves protection .

Every time I think it can't get any worse it does. They showed no sympathy what so ever for this woman with Downs. How can you say such vile things and still think you are right here?

I find this utterly appalling. Thinking adults, even those who aren't particularly understanding of people with disabilities, know that you don't expect people with Down's syndrome to automatically behave/react the same as other adults. Most of us give them grace and understanding. Shame on those men.

The transwoman does not like being reacted to by the woman with Down’s as though the transwoman is something monstrous, yet is happy to refer to her in unnecessarily abusive language which suggests she is more animal than human.

The person with Down’s Syndrome is simply seeing the truth.

Her distress about a transwoman using the ladies’s and trying to point, must mean there is an alternative the transwoman could be using. What about the woman’s need to feel safe and private? Under the Equality Act she has a right to this through both the protected characteristic of ‘sex’ (which allows for lavatories to be sex segregated spaces) and of disability I should think.

This is why the Equality Act needs updating to make clear that sex means biological sex.

The sense of entitlement of some people is just staggering.

I’ve just seen this too, and am appalled.