Census releases data on gender identity

Two of us is probably quite a big percentage of the 0.5%

I think I did similarly.

I was not going to agree that I had a gender identity at all, because it was like being forced to tick one out of a selection of was I Catholic, Baptist or C of E. No. Not creating the impression (as is already discussed here on the thread) that 90+% happily agree they have a gender identity which is the same as their sex. Fuck that.

So that's at least two of us recorded as being TQ+ (other unspecified) when we actually meant 'do not forcibly involve me in this religion I do not believe in'.

So why is legislation being pushed so hard to protect such a small group of people, at the cost of eroding the rights of much larger groups?

Two answers

1. the legislation is nominally to protect that small group of people you can barely see in the census, but it actually helps 50% - the men.

2. in progressive stack logic minority = oppressed, so the smaller the minority, the more oppressed you must be. And it's most important to help the oppressed. They do not accept Spock's "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one" logic.

I think I answered no to that, because I don't have a gender identity. Or if I do, I don't know what it is.

Otherwise you're left with 'well, you've said woman is a feeling that's nothing to do with the sexed body, so which sex are you saying it matches/aligns with?'

Yes.

One of the many, many tangled webs of this whole nonsense that demonstrates at the root of it, it is all about binary sex based thinking. If there is no fixed sex, what is anyone transitioning from or to? How can anyone be 'cis'?

It's a lot of incoherent nonsense from start to finish, and now so is the census data. Yippee, what truly progressive bullshit it is. How much did taxpayers pay for it?

So why is legislation being pushed so hard to protect such a small group of people, at the cost of eroding the rights of much larger groups?

The question is impossible to answer, really.

If my sex is female, which genders match that/are the same? If I felt I had a gender that was 'female', that would match as it's the same word.

If I felt I had a gender that was 'woman', would that match?

Is there something female about a woman, or not? 'Woman' can mean male as well, apparently, so it can't fully match with 'female' if you take that view.

This is why it's really important, if you are defining an entire group of people as 'those whose sex and gender do not match/align/correspond' to set out which pairs DO match/align/correspond (ideally with reasoning).

Otherwise you're left with 'well, you've said woman is a feeling that's nothing to do with the sexed body, so which sex are you saying it matches/aligns with?'

So it's actually a fifteenth of fuck all then?

Time to start diverting some resources elsewhere methinks.

2.9 million people (including me) refused to answer.

Questions about this ideology and sexual orientation are irrelevant to the census and I refuse to answer them.

I know full well that gay rights organisations have tried various methods to get the numbers of LGBT people in the country (such as the NHS asking you), I simply refuse to answer due to the ulterior motives.

So basically non-genderologists massively outnumber the "trans umbrella" as a "refuse to answer" block, and are apparently the largest group inside the "different" block too!

I think Nils‘ point that many in the ‘other’ category may well have written something like ‘l have no gender’.

Yes, but look at the wording more carefully. The 18,000 (0.04%) is not just "other", it's specifically "other gender identities", so I don't think they'd go in there.

I think you'll find the protest responses in the 118,000 (0.24%), which is "no specific identity given". So it's possible that up to 44% of the "differents" are "I have no gender" type responses.

Would be useful if ONS would clarify how they were classified.

That is true for the question on sex but this is a separate question on gender identity which asked "is the gender you identify with the same as your sex registered at birth". I guess some trans people will have said yes because they don't like admitting the sex they were born. In which case, they've shot themselves in the foot by reducing the number of people counted as trans!

An interesting thing would be the cross tabulation of the people who put 'female' for sex but then ticked 'transwoman' and vice versa for transmen

I think Nils‘ point that many in the ‘other’ category may well have written something like ‘l have no gender’. That leaves 0.1% of the population who are trans men and 0.1% of the population who are transwomen, an 0.06% who are non-binary.

I find that an extremely useful statistic when trying to balance the needs of different groups

Does this mean 93.5% of the population believe in gender identity as concept, as in these are people who believe that gender identity is real and believe that they have a gender identity which matches their sex? Does this give credence to having a mismatch between gender identity and sex or “being born in the wrong body”?

It is good to have some solid data on this group and now we can see how small this minority is perhaps we can roll back on changing language in maternity and women’s health and instead focus on doing the greatest good for the most possible people through clear, plain English and woman centred language, placing the woman at the centre of her care. It will be interesting to compare the 0.5% with how many people have English as a second language, have low literacy levels, find woman centred language empowering and reassuring etc. Especially given that, at least anecdotally, many of the 0.5% who say they have a gender identity which is different from their sex seem to be from higher socioeconomic groups and have higher levels of educational attainment.

I wonder how many of the 'other' ticking box people actually wrote following it: 'I do not have a gender, I have a biological sex which is x'.

Up to 136,000 of the 262,000?

Was the 116,000 really for people who actually wrote nothing, or does it include people who wrote things like "I don't believe in gender identities".

I find it hard to believe blank responses vastly outnumber "other" (18,000) responses there, so I think the 116,000 must include non-blank non-identity respones.

And in other places it says "no specific identity" for that category, so I think it may include the explicit refusals.

So I think the actual number of real gender people may be closer to 144,000 than 262,000.

This is exactly what I meant.

Good that they counted this tiny minority that can only be protected by putting men in women's prisons or men providing intimate care to disabled women despite their objection.

The victory was getting it counted separately.

#Jedi #Aquarius #CatsNotDogs

Surprised to see equal numbers of TM and TW. I thought TW outnumbered by a lot. Or is it possible the answer is skewed based on the wording of this question and previous sex questions?

In Scotland, people were encouraged to put the sex the identify with, rather than their actual sex. In addition to answering the gender question. So there is no accurate record of sex anymore.

If I understand correctly, those numbers relate to over 16s. There'll be over 2 million in the group 13-16. If you think about the number of kids declaring a trans(maybe -ient) identity in that group, you might be about to add on one or two hundred thousand.

The primary breakdown is:

45,400,000 (93.5%) answered “Yes”
2,900,000 (6.0%) did not answer the question
262,000 people (0.5%) answered “No”.

Suggesting those who understand the issues with genderology greatly outnumber those whom genderology claims to represent.

And yet the world is being turned on it’s head to appease this very tiny number of people

odd how such a tiny % of the population has so much influence isn’t it and women have so little

I wonder how many of the 'other' ticking box people actually wrote following it: 'I do not have a gender, I have a biological sex which is x'.

And got recorded as part of that 0.5%

How interesting, thanks OP. What a very very small number 0.5% is....! Throws into sharp relief the widespread changes to language and policy all to appease a tiny minority. Interesting also that despite this being an optional question, most people (94%) did actually answer it.