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Bullying your mum isn't activism, magnificent Glosswitch response to creepy Novara media article

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 04/01/2023 15:59

Apologies if this has its own thread already, I couldn't see one. Glosswitch has written yet another excellent article: thecritic.co.uk/Bullying-your-mum-isnt-activism/

It's a response to novaramedia.com/2022/12/24/how-i-deradicalised-my-terf-mum/ published on Christmas Eve. The very timing tells me all I need to know. The people on the right side of history, by their own lights. were sitting on the sofa reading this, nodding and punching the air in support of 'Will' and his chums, while their decrepit, simple-minded mothers, aunts and grandmothers, i.e. the Janets of this world, were toiling away peeling sprouts and checking the cooking instructions on the vegan roast they'd bought for the Novara Media subscriber, hoping against hope it would pass muster.

In short, 'Will', the male child, bullies his mum, 'Janet', who has had great difficulty accepting that her other child, born female, now identifies as a transman, by threatening that if she doesn't give up her 'transphobia', i.e. stubborn adherence to material reality and concern about health consequences of unevidenced hormone and surgical treatments, both of her children will cut her off and encourage all their friends and neighbours to do the same. Nice guy, huh?

Glosswitch nails what's going on here. I was pleased to see that so did dozens of other outraged people on Twitter.

The son “Will” is obviously proud of himself, even though what he is describing is a form of coercive control. Threatening to isolate a female relative unless she denies her perceptions of reality indicates he does not care that she may not believe what she is saying. All that matters is that she has been forced into line. This is not activism; it is patriarchy.

Amen to that! The Novara article was written by a woman, depressingly.

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littlbrowndog · 04/01/2023 17:49

I would off packed wills bags for him.

wee shite. Smug wee shite as well

KohlaParasaurus · 04/01/2023 17:48

Boiledbeetle · 04/01/2023 17:39

Look, if you don’t fucking fix up, I’m not really interested in having an endless debate with you, I will just leave.’”

to which my response would have been "do you want help with that?

And he's going to go tattling to all her (presumably grown-up) friends about having gone snooping through her online history and found that she, erm, doesn't think people can change sex, and he thinks they'll judge her harshly and have sympathy with him? Good luck with that, laddo.

BloodAndFire · 04/01/2023 17:47

Rvkh Br*wn, who wrote the Novara article, is a truly awful person who has betrayed her family and community in the most appalling way. She has actively supported antisemites and Holocaust deniers and caused immense pain to her parents and the wider Jewish community.

nilsmousehammer · 04/01/2023 17:44

Spoilt brat. Over pandered to, over enabled, over indulged, and so totally fixed on the magical wonder of what goes on inside themselves that they're unable to realise how stuck they are in an emotional toddlerhood. Where they scream and shout and rule everyone - while being utterly dependent on the everyone to run around after them and provide never ending TLC despite constantly, patiently enduring the never ending tantrum and inability for social reciprocation.

The pathology of all this is writ large, it really is. And yes, we have fucked up beyond belief in parenting. All through very good intentions.

Can you imagine people like this as parents? Social services needs to start doubling now, if not tripling. They will be absolutely incapable of putting anyone's needs above their own.

DuesToTheDirt · 04/01/2023 17:40

lechiffre55 · 04/01/2023 16:54

Isn't this what they did under Mao? Denounce the parents as traitors and berate them during struggle sessions.

You beat me to it.

Boiledbeetle · 04/01/2023 17:39

Look, if you don’t fucking fix up, I’m not really interested in having an endless debate with you, I will just leave.’”

to which my response would have been "do you want help with that?

WinterFoxes · 04/01/2023 17:39

Plasmodesmata · 04/01/2023 17:37

In the article Will says
‘Look, if you don’t fucking fix up, I’m not really interested in having an endless debate with you, I will just leave.’”
Does that mean he still lives at home? He's 22? (it's not clear which sibling is older so maybe he's 20).

But he's going to want to move out at some point anyway, isn't he? Or is he sitting around reading the Guardian while his terribly transphobic mum does all the laundry and cooks his dinner?

It is textbook, 'I hate you but first can you take me and Steve to the mall?'

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 04/01/2023 17:38

ArabellaScott · 04/01/2023 17:35

100%. It's of the same stable as 'woman DESTROYED' clickbait bullshit.

I really dislike the current trend of wish-fulfilment bullshit like this. Clearly all made to satisfy passive aggressive people who are unable to actually use their words properly to be in control of their own lives, and so instead need to watch other people 'humiliating' 'owning' 'destroying' or 'schooling' others. It's a kind of bullyporn.

Yes, you have put it really well.

Plasmodesmata · 04/01/2023 17:37

In the article Will says
‘Look, if you don’t fucking fix up, I’m not really interested in having an endless debate with you, I will just leave.’”
Does that mean he still lives at home? He's 22? (it's not clear which sibling is older so maybe he's 20).

But he's going to want to move out at some point anyway, isn't he? Or is he sitting around reading the Guardian while his terribly transphobic mum does all the laundry and cooks his dinner?

Boiledbeetle · 04/01/2023 17:36

You can coerce people as much as you like to behave a certain way to say certain things do allow other things. But you can never control a person's thoughts.

Stay strong Janet

ArabellaScott · 04/01/2023 17:35

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 04/01/2023 16:39

The word ‘schooling’ has bothered me for a while and I think I see why now. It’s because it’s not about teaching in the true educational sense it’s about using punishment to train them to behave in the way you want. Like schooling an animal. It is dehumanising, it is not about responding to the person as an equal human being.

100%. It's of the same stable as 'woman DESTROYED' clickbait bullshit.

I really dislike the current trend of wish-fulfilment bullshit like this. Clearly all made to satisfy passive aggressive people who are unable to actually use their words properly to be in control of their own lives, and so instead need to watch other people 'humiliating' 'owning' 'destroying' or 'schooling' others. It's a kind of bullyporn.

Boiledbeetle · 04/01/2023 17:33

My mate had to put up with her husband allowing her toxic bully of a woman hating step son to rule the roost for a couple of years.

She was a wreck by the time her husband realised if he didn't kick him out then his life was about to come crashing down.

It was awful to witness, in real time, she used to ring me, whilst they laid into her telling her she was the wrong, and mad one, so that I could tell her later that no she v didn't imagine it.

The amount of time the police ended up there, via calls from me or the neighbours.

All the way through I just could not understand how this child had been allowed to gain so much, unwarrented, unearned and most definitely undeserved power.

I can't help but feel Janet has found herself living in exactly the same hell. If it hadn't have been the handy for Will trans ideology it would have been something else.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 04/01/2023 17:32

I don't believe for one second males like Will give 2 shits about trans people. It's just a convenient cover for their absolute hatred and abuse of women.

Spiteful little gobshite.
Trawling through his mum's internet history and threatening to tell her friends she knows about biology and reality.

StephanieSuperpowers · 04/01/2023 17:30

He's still to learn a fundamental truth: you can coerce people into saying what you want to hear but you can't make them believe it.

boatyardblues · 04/01/2023 17:24

From the Novara article:

To me, the moral of the story seems clear: people aren’t convinced by reason but by emotion.

Nope, that’s manipulation not convincing.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 04/01/2023 17:22

I wonder how well Will would cope and react if Arthur detransitioned.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 04/01/2023 17:18

Chilling.
What the toxic son will never understand is that he can bully and coerce his mother - but she still knows and understands the facts that he and his sibling pretend don't exist. He can intimidate and literally silence her, but deep down she knows - as do her children. Hence their limitless rage.

TidyDancer · 04/01/2023 17:16

Wow. Will is a nasty and abusive little bastard isn't he? I really hope Janet is able to see some hope for her daughter to one day wake up but I wouldn't bet on it for her vile son. Sounds like he may very well have had a hand in the daughter transing.

WolverineBlueyy · 04/01/2023 17:14

Not sure what I just read on Novara. A work of fiction, surely?

Nasty, aggressive, entitled and hard to follow, I'm not sure what kind of editor would think that was worth publishing for any reason.

Boiledbeetle · 04/01/2023 17:11

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 04/01/2023 16:49

Yes, I must say I did wonder, and indeed hope, that Janet has been allowed to keep her Mumsnet account. Presumably Will doesn't monitor her internet history .

Well he obviously rifled through her stuff and hacks her accounts in order to find her secret ( he sounds like an abusive husband not child) Mumsnet account. And I can't imagine how toxic the atmosphere in that house must have been before the discovery for her to have felt the need to hide it originally.before

It's just so wrong.

Nothingandnowhere · 04/01/2023 17:11

I'm cringing so hard over that 2nd piece - the author has confused 'red-pilled' with 'black-pilled'. I'm sure they would say it reflected poorly on me that I'm pointing this out but at least I'm not appropriating language from a subculture I'm clearly not familiar enough with and making embarrassing mistakes like that.

Floisme · 04/01/2023 17:07

The thing is, Janet is highly unlikely to cut her son out of her will. The chances are that she loves him more than life itself. And doesn't he know it.

AutumnCrow · 04/01/2023 17:03

lechiffre55 · 04/01/2023 16:54

Isn't this what they did under Mao? Denounce the parents as traitors and berate them during struggle sessions.

It's all so tedious, isn't it? A bunch of middle class fuckwits trying to re-enact the Cultural Revolution in order to feel relevant and act out their arrested childhood resentments of their mothers. They really hate their mothers.

I'd like to see #JanetIsCuttingYouOutOfTheWillDearWill trending. See how the nouveau faux Chinese peasantry like them apples.

Floisme · 04/01/2023 16:58

For Janet Flowers
Will's attitude chilled me to my core.
I'm looking forward to Glosswitch's book.

lechiffre55 · 04/01/2023 16:54

Isn't this what they did under Mao? Denounce the parents as traitors and berate them during struggle sessions.