First non-binary priest in C of E

@Boiledbeetle

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I agree I would think oh that's a cock. Great word. I wouldn't wonder if it identifies as male non binary or female cock. It's irrelevant to the cockness of the cock.

Ooh I like cockness. I might add it to my vocabulary of vulgarity.

Much thanks.

I like cock me! The word rather than the appendage though these days.

Agreed, just another way of saying it I suppose. It's a sensitive point because of being sensitive to bi-erasure. E.g. Sexuality being assumed depending on what partner you happen to be with at the time.

So non binary - Referencing the binary yes, assuming everyone else is binary no.

I've always thought bi sexual meant you are both gay and straight depending on the person you are shagging at the time. Hence the bi bit you love the cock and the cunt.

'not gay or straight ' is an unusual definition of bisexual. It's usually defined as being attracted to both sexes.

Even if we had no word for gay or straight, that defining still stands on its own.

I still argue that you can't logically define 'non binary' without referencing the binary. There is no other definition. Is there?

Oh forget to add, there's no 'test' for 'bi-ness' either doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Right, and that also applies to gender as far as I'm aware. Someone's gender doesn't change if they haven't yet come out. They don't have to declare it to have it, they just haven't come out yet.

Ooh I like cockness. I might add it to my vocabulary of vulgarity.

Much thanks.

I like cock me! The word rather than the appendage though these days.

I don’t believe in god or that you can change, or not be a, sex. So I can see how people with a belief in one might align with people with a belief in the other. I’m meanwhile stuck in my female, non celestial, body.

Um being bi means by definition one isn't gay or straight, that's the whole point... if someone 'comes out' as bi they are by definition 'declaring' they aren't gay or straight. So not sure how that doesn't work.

Right, but you could live your whole life as bi without stating anything and it wouldn't change the fact you are bisexual. 'Coming out' doesn't mean 'being'.

Whereas your gender is what you declare it is, there is no further definition than that. No test, no way of telling what gender anyone is other than the label they give themself.

I agree that to say you are non-binary means you are accepting the existence of a gender binary and that it is rare enough to be notable that you are outside of this binary that you believe in.

When, as it's about personality or masculinity or femininity, it's clearly a vast 3-dimensional spectrum with no clearly defined categories, containing every human that ever lived.
But you can't be non-3-dimensional-spectrum (as far as I know) - unless you are one of us agender types?

Either way it has nothing to do with whether you are male or female. To say it has would be to conflate sex and gender.

Um being bi means by definition one isn't gay or straight, that's the whole point... if someone 'comes out' as bi they are by definition 'declaring' they aren't gay or straight. So not sure how that doesn't work.

I agree you think declaring yourself as non binary is attention seeking. I also agree that some of the examples on this thread earlier about young people could possibly fit in that category. It could even apply to this vicar/priest but we don't really know that just from the 'declaration' (which is seven years old),

I don't think you understand how definitions work.

Being bi doesn't involve declaring yourself non anything.

Being non binary otoh....It's very definition is in relation to binary.

What's the point in telling people that you are this thing if you can't explain what the thing is?

Can you see how this sounds like attention seeking?

I agree I would think oh that's a cock. Great word. I wouldn't wonder if it identifies as male non binary or female cock. It's irrelevant to the cockness of the cock.

Depends are you called Bingo?😃

I don't know what do say other than it's about themselves, not what everyone else is doing. I'll give you another example, someone works out they are bi, they don't assume everyone else around them is either gay or straight.

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Discrimination against gay vicars or other people in the church is not okay. Unfortunately gay and bi people still face it, it's wrong.

I'm not sure it's right to assume those trans vicars you have mentioned have received absolutely no discrimination or harassment from their community. Or indeed the public in general. I think it's highly likely.

Where did the quoted post slope off to.it was there when i pressed preview

I'm also waiting with bated breath for an answer to this...doesn't look like one is going to materialise!

Sleep is calling.

I always think that. When am giving that exposed cock a stomp

So most of the women in here would immediately think that's a cock. That MAN had got his cock out.

Not oh that's a cock I wonder if it' identifies as male non binary or female cock.

Just popping in to clarify that the priest in question is not me

In most cases, they are essentially the same thing. But if you want the technical answer:

• When somebody is first ordained in the C of E they are called a deacon. As a deacon there are a few things they can't do (eg marry people).
• After a year their title becomes priest, which is basically 'full' ordination.
• The title vicar is more functional. It means an ordained person who runs a local church.
• So you could be a priest but not a vicar (eg if you're a prison or hospital chaplain); but nearly all vicars are priests, by definition.

@Boiledbeetle well these days it's not the done thing to assume someone's gender. If they were deliberately flashing me in the pub I would just be oh that's a penis I've seen plenty that ones a bit small is it cold? I wouldn't usually size shame but putting them in their place seems the appropriate response. And then inform the bar staff probably.