First non-binary priest in C of E

Go into any High Street shop or supermarket, and the girls clothing will be more delicate, less practical and have animal motifs that feature weak/prey animals such as rabbits, deer, butterflies and slogans such as ‘Be Kind’ ‘Cute’ ‘Princess’ etc. Toys in the girls aisle will still be mainly kitchens, babies, nurturing and focus on home, friendship and creativity.

Boys clothing is almost always much more robust, shoes with proper treads, thicker materials and features strong, predator animals such as sharks, dinosaurs, bears and slogans like ‘Little Adventurer’ ‘Here Comes Trouble’. Boys toys are all about action, often fighting, building, sports etc

@Toomie I don't have kids so hadn't really thought about it I mean I've been aghast by the pink blue split that happened some time round the end of the 90s? but you pointing out the predator prey thing...I find that actually rather disturbing. They are setting the boys up as the dominating force from the very beginning.

One thing I've been pondering over - when did non binary become 'non conforming' rather than 'feels neither male or female'? There are cosmetic surgeries (in the US mostly, I think) which still offer nullification surgery for non binary patients.

It appears to have changed from 'I don't want to be either' to males (mostly) claiming that they are non binary simply because they want to wear make up.

Pork was off limits too - being cloven-footed but not chewing the cud.

Again sensible, due to the parasite risk of under cooked pork.

Boiledbeetle
Werewolves I've appreciated your willingness to engage and debate in good faith on this thread

I'm going to echo@Toomie sentiment it had made for a much less fraught discussion on differing opinions.

Which is rather refreshing in these parts.

As they say it's good to talk.

I also agree. Rare for someone sympathising with gender ideology not to just cry bigot and flounce off. Very refreshing @WerewolvesAtMidnight

Thanks @Poonicorn ☺️

Ah yes, I do agree with you there, sadly there are those differences, and, no matter how hard we try it probably does still make a difference in how they are raised. I did try to avoid overly gendered clothing and toys etc. but I see society still isn't helping in that regard. I guess we have to try to do our best regardless, as you are.

What has this guy actually done to warrant a place in the spotlight

from reading it seems to be eyeshadow and wearing 'gender non conforming something's' and probably really confusing and upsetting his wife and children reading. Oh and misinterpreting the bible. Oh and..... (Time out Boiled time out 🤐)

I’d be v curious re parishioners views on his ‘persona’ 👍🏿☘️

I also agree. Rare for someone sympathising with gender ideology not to just cry bigot and flounce off. Very refreshing @WerewolvesAtMidnight

That's just another reason why non-binary makes no sense. Gender ideology teaches that gender is a spectrum therefore by that logic everyone is non-binary. So what does non-binary mean other than a man wearing sparkly eyeshadow?

Thanks 😊

but I just can't put my finger on it!

@Wellies54 fairly sure you wouldn't want to put your finger on it!😳😶

@Boiledbeetle Snort! 😆

Werewolves I've appreciated your willingness to engage and debate in good faith on this thread

I'm going to echo@Toomie sentiment it had made for a much less fraught discussion on differing opinions.

Which is rather refreshing in these parts.

As they say it's good to talk.

Grrrr bold fail.
The first half of my post is quoting WerewolvesAtMidnight.

WerewolvesAtMidnight
From my perspective I tried to raise my children equally and where they were 'treated differently' when they got older that was due to their personality and other traits not their sex or gender.

Neither of them have any particular traits relating to their gender described in the para above but they are in their thirties now. Is it a more recent thing again rather than just old fashioned sexist attitudes? Genuinely asking as none of my friends have small children.

When she says ‘raised’, I don’t think she’s referring to individual parenting styles, more how people are raised on a societal level. A good, if obvious, illustration of this is children’s clothing and toys.

Go into any High Street shop or supermarket, and the girls clothing will be more delicate, less practical and have animal motifs that feature weak/prey animals such as rabbits, deer, butterflies and slogans such as ‘Be Kind’ ‘Cute’ ‘Princess’ etc. Toys in the girls aisle will still be mainly kitchens, babies, nurturing and focus on home, friendship and creativity.

Boys clothing is almost always much more robust, shoes with proper treads, thicker materials and features strong, predator animals such as sharks, dinosaurs, bears and slogans like ‘Little Adventurer’ ‘Here Comes Trouble’. Boys toys are all about action, often fighting, building, sports etc

I have a five year old and can sadly confirm that gendering of kids stuff is definitely worse now than when in my seventies/early 80s childhood.

Obviously gender stereotyping is much more than just children’s toys and clothes, but the fact that this stuff is so ubiquitous from the very start and seldom noticed or challenged, supports Rebecca’s comments about the societal assumptions children are still raised under, whether their parents explicitly engage in it or not.

Sorry if this is a derail

A manipulative clown as a priest is a problem.

Now i looked at that and that second graphic I couldn't help think oh so gender identity is what used to be known as a personality ( the combination of characteristics or qualities that form an individual's distinctive character).

@Poonicorn I get what you're saying, but if they believe it's a 'spectrum' rather than by a concept of 'opposite', It can't really be 'opposite' something if there are many genders. What's it opposite to? I suppose binary and non binary but what about all the people on the spectrum (line or circle version), where do they fit in?

It's newsworthy due to the headline not their good works or deeds

Well exactly. The journalists are just as bad. But anyone of any integrity would say “don’t do a story on me, do a story on Joan who’s been part of our church for 40 years and looks after the homeless in our community.” Or they’d say “I’d rather talk about the work of the church” if he had any work worth talking about.

But no. These Influencer-style narcissists lap up the attention and shallow excuses for “journalists” are only too happy to give it to them.

Sex: everyone is binary, for the sake of completeness and not being gotcha'd a few people with very extreme medical conditions might need to consult a doctor.

Gender: nobody is binary, it isn't a binary system.

Stereotypes: nobody is binary, there are some clusters of stereotypes seen as masculine or feminine but really nobody conforms to all of them.

Not sure where non-binary comes in really.

but I just can't put my finger on it!

@Wellies54 fairly sure you wouldn't want to put your finger on it!😳😶

They're not exactly in the spotlight. They've had an article written about them being the first out non binary priest in the CofE, written by a journalist for the Telegraph, which has been picked up by the Mail. It's newsworthy due to the headline not their good works or deeds, although it does actually mention pro LGBT works.

There is no indication they aren't good at their job, just that wouldn't make a grabby headline for the journalist.

@WerewolvesAtMidnight

They are not mutually exclusive opposites though. You cannot compare them. If you are not non-binary then you are binary.

you can't say if you're not bi you're gay!

Note the homophobic parents. So often present in bios of adult trans identifying people.

You'd think that might be the sort of thing a charity like Stonewall might have cared about.

But eliminating homophobia would necessarily mean less people deciding they are trans. So it's probably akin to genocide or something.

Perfectly put. I couldn't care less how he presents himself but despite what he thinks, I can not see what is particularly special about him.

I find it very interesting that quite often non binary people who were formerly male were raised to believe that homosexuality was wrong.
Its almost as if they are trying to fund a way to be gay without actually being gay.