First non-binary priest in C of E

Sorry. It's meant to make women if a certain age go from rage to ahhhhhhhhhhhh. He's just soooooooo beeeaaauuuuuutiful.

That’s not fair Boiled- how can we not derail a thread thread when you put that beautiful man in the middle of it.

he was my first love when I was about 9.

I still want to dress like him from time to time.

I think it's partly because we've had to fight so hard to be taken seriously at work and these men just waltz in a make a mockery of our graft to Get recognized for just bring female and able to do our job..

It's insulting

I think that's my irritation. If the first female vicar had stood there with a fatuous smile and bad eye makeup, demanding to be taken seriously, she'd have been pilloried.

Sorry I'm feeling grumpy tonight. Maybe I'd be nicer on a different day.

I'm in agreement there. If it wouldn't be seen as appropriate for a woman to wear in work or to be taken seriously then why the he'll is it OK for a man who feels like a woman. It's a double standard.

I'm not bothered about men looking great in non conforming clothes.
I'm not happy about men looking silly in non conforming clothes and demanding to be taken seriously.

These things have always gone back and fourth. The outrageous caricature thing that' is annoying us at the moment is definitely flaming tensions. But those that Just go round in clothes appropriate for the weather shall we say. It shouldn't still be ssh issue now, but it is. Is that the women's fault? or the unaccepting men of men who present differently?

Ignoring the general inappropriate ness of some of their outfits sone of the time, did the time off day and occasion I get what you mean , I'm trying not Get everyone riled up? The clothes the make up the heels, have all been men's clothes at some point in history, the wigs

They aren't just wearing women's clothes though. Or just wearing make up. There's a man I see at a local shop who wears make up. I couldn't care less. It's the wearing stilettos and mini skirts, striped eyes and a fatuous smile. It's the appropriation of women's stuff. Like a woman going to the office in skimpy lederhosen, stockings, and claiming to be a man.

Just the clothing issue? ignore. Man being a woman bit if we can just the clothes it is 2023? After all and it was fine in the 80s why are we going backwards

Thank God

It's not like we are confined tho just dresses and skirts

But what exactly is the problem with a man wearing'women's' clothing? Really?

It's one thing for these men to want to dress up like it privately, but I can never get my head around their desire to show everyone what they get up to.

This used to be stuff men would go to great lengths to cover up, not go to the national press.

My point remains that women in the church are expected to look 'appropriate'. They would be expected to wear good make up, or none.

Live it, eyeliner, humour and all.

I know. He was beautiful.
Remembers the yearning of my youth

Followed by a sadness for a youth now long gone

Why can't they just Get out there and LIVE it instead of constantly be in angst.

In the church it's pretty good. It tends to be at weddings and funerals, people who don't do church very often and are still titillated by the sight of a woman in a cassock

That's pretty rubbish on your friends, it's not acceptable to treat people like that, I hope things start to improve in the church.

Re: the make-up I've seen some pretty 'bold' choices on people both younger and older than me, yes maybe it doesn't completely compliment them but it's their choice. Or it could be they haven't had much practice.

Ooh... Adam Ant...

Couldn't have chosen a better lyric, boiled!!

Happy sigh

Don't you ever, don't you ever
Stop being dandy, showing me you're handsome
Don't you ever, don't you ever
Stop being dandy, showing me you're handsome
Prince Charming, Prince Charming
Ridicule is nothing to be scared of
Don't you ever, don't you ever
Stop being dandy, showing me you're handsome
Don't you ever, don't you ever
Lower yourself, forgetting all your standards
Don't you ever, don't you ever
Lower yourself, forgetting all your standards

I wish ‘gender bending’ was still a thing instead of full-on aggressive, humourless gender appropriation.

I'm never sure quite why the women in here and women of similar or like minded views are getting such hate.

We are not anti trans, however there is unquestionably a clash between some of the rights the trans activists are fighting for and some of the already existing rights of women.

It is not right and not fair that one group be prioritised over another. (I wish I could see this much passion for making the world much more accessible for those with disabilities instead to have equality of access).

Offers to find solutions that ensure both women and trans people are able to go in places and be treated with respect and Get the privacy they need Get shot down . It's not us going it's us or them. It's truly not.

The anger that comes out in These boards...it's frustration. We are talking but nobody is listening.

This should not be an argument between women's rights and trans rights but how to serve both with equality.

And as mainly mothers or victims of abuse or those of faith, rightly the safeguarding issues that this current argument is creating is what is rightly concerning the majority of the poster's here.

No we aren't accusing trans people of being bad, but bad people will subvert the laws and societal norms to suit their nefarious intention, and as Get said so many times in These threads we can't tell the difference. Is this a good man in our changing room or a bad one? We shouldn't be forced to ask that question or take that risk.

I'm just sick of it. It's all so bloody mindless.

Time to put myself in a time out😶