NHS - Women’s rights compromised by gender ideology

We don’t need to know anyones ‘gender identity* we need to know their sex if we ask for same sex care. And we need to know we all have the same definitions of words.

No details on the exceptions
However, the letter provided no details about which exceptions these may include.
“This statement will be rare and, where the staff member has their Gender Recognition Certificate and is fully transitioned to their preferred gender, this will not apply,” it added.
It also does not define what “fully transitioned” means.

they , they being the idiots who wrote the above, still think that someone with a GRC has had their willie cut off don't they?

The NHS should be renamed BUS 🚌 because they are currently throwing women under one

If a person requests same sex care and that person is not of the same sex , then surely the patient would have a valid case of assault.

Why would a trans person not declare their sex on occasions like these? It's not an unreasonable request from the patient and any clinician has a duty of care to patients.

I would go far as saying, only a predator would carry out a procedure on someone of the opposite sex if the consent is only there for single sex.

The Trust, as an employer is complicit in this deception and should also face criminal proceedings.

@SallyLockheart I agree. The report will be interesting but couldn't find it. I think Policy Exchange is still plugging the other NHS one.

I doubt anyone will be daft enough to publicly take issue with what Nimco Ali has said but you never know..!

Resistor - to reinforce your point, a patient can only refuse care on the basis of the sex of their clinician if they are given the information….. Plus, we have seen an example where, when a patient requested same-sex care, all treatment was withdrawn.

Good article Sally, thank you. Noting pp comments, underfunding of the health service results in reduced services and longer wait times for everyone. However, the issues highlighted by Nimco Ail - lack of same-sex intimate care, unrecognised mixed sex wards (and the resulting danger and gaslighting of women demonstrated so clearly in Scotland) - could easily result in (some) female patients withdrawing from healthcare altogether.

This removal of access for females to give increased access to some (very small) male minorities is a feature of GII. Trans groups are being disingenuous if they don’t acknowledge that as a failing. Protesting against reasonable solutions (such as private room accommodation in Scotland) demonstrates the inherent selfishness, or perhaps hints at an undisclosed agenda

Archive link before anyone says they can't read it

archive.ph/ks7Fp

There's a longer article on this in the Telegraph:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/02/trans-nhs-staff-can-treat-patients-who-request-same-sex-care/

I find this hypocritical. Everyone essentially discloses their sex when doing same sex services and care. Why does that expectation of disclosure NOT apply to those with the PC of gender reassignment?

“The Trust accepts that there may be some exceptions where a transgender person will be expected to disclose their gender identity such as where they are required to undertake personal care on vulnerable people.”

However, the letter provided no details about which exceptions these may include.
“This statement will be rare and, where the staff member has their Gender Recognition Certificate and is fully transitioned to their preferred gender, this will not apply,” it added.
It also does not define what “fully transitioned” means.
Under informed consent, a patient can refuse treatment at any time if they are dissatisfied with the clinician or treatment offered.

@frazzledali "You know what's seriously compromised the NHS? Years of Tory dismantling and underfunding. Shouting about that, are we? No. Cowards"

Gosh! And all these years I thought it was possible to have more than one thought at a time, y'know, tory underfunding AND the erosion of women's rights are both bad.

You are rude.

The NHS's problems go back decades and as regards same sex - not gender - wards and services actually began under Labour.

The current wider problems - which this thread is not about - go back to at least the late 90s and are inextricably linked with how we fund social care. Ed Balls did a BBC documentary on this.

Then there's PPI (also Labour). If you want to talk about those wider problems then start another thread. I hope people aren't so rude to you on it if you do.

You know what's seriously compromised the NHS? Years of Tory dismantling and underfunding. Shouting about that, are we? No. Cowards.