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NHS - Women’s rights compromised by gender ideology

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SallyLockheart · 02/01/2023 05:37

But when it comes to conflicting rights in a public institution like the NHS, decisions must be made with democratic consensus and full understanding that certain policies cannot be blindly endorsed simply because one minority is shouting the loudest for them.’ She said there ‘can be no compromise when it comes to women’s rights’.

another interesting article from the DM based upon report by Nimco Ali, the outgoing government tsar on tackling violence against women

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11590761/Policy-Exchange-claims-NHS-seriously-compromised-gender-ideology.html

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ResisterRex · 02/01/2023 10:50

SallyLockheart · 02/01/2023 10:01

@Appletreefarmyard thank you for the full link

this is even more depressing

In November 2022, Dr Navina Evans, Chief Executive of Health Education England (HEE), committed the organisation to ‘to become active trans and non-binary allies.’16 The statement references ‘the public debate’ around trans rights, but proceeds to ‘ally’ itself to just one side of it

utter bloody capture.

Ah really? Under what legislation and powers, I'd like to know!

bellac11 · 02/01/2023 10:25

This is why the word gender is dangerous. I dont need to know or care what gender someone thinks they are. I only need to know their sex

ArabellaScott · 02/01/2023 10:21

Thanks OP and pps for all the links. This seems hugely significant.

I was sad to see Nimco go from her post.

ArabellaScott · 02/01/2023 10:17

frazzledali · 02/01/2023 06:35

You know what's seriously compromised the NHS? Years of Tory dismantling and underfunding. Shouting about that, are we? No. Cowards.

So what you're saying is that we should not talk about sexual assaults within the NHS that are a result of a specific policy, but instead we should be 'shouting' about the conservatives? Lie back and think of Labour, is that it?

And anyone who doesn't do as you say/think/believe is a 'coward'?

What if they just disagree? You don't really make a lot of sense, tbh.

SallyLockheart · 02/01/2023 10:14

yes, I think it says only hospital though refers to the hospital being the largest in the trust

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BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 02/01/2023 10:14

Bother. 1st para should be a quote.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 02/01/2023 10:13

freedom of information requests revealed up to 30 sexual assaults against females on hospital property at the Bristol trust.

This reads as if it's across the whole trust, but from the Policy Exchange link it seems to be 30 in just 1 hospital.

SallyLockheart · 02/01/2023 10:01

@Appletreefarmyard thank you for the full link

this is even more depressing

In November 2022, Dr Navina Evans, Chief Executive of Health Education England (HEE), committed the organisation to ‘to become active trans and non-binary allies.’16 The statement references ‘the public debate’ around trans rights, but proceeds to ‘ally’ itself to just one side of it

utter bloody capture.

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musicalfrog · 02/01/2023 09:53

@Appletreefarmyard it's not hidden any more.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 02/01/2023 09:36

Remember - some NHS trusts are so morally bankrupt that they have policies allowing male born sex offenders to be placed on women's wards. It still gives me a shock to realise that the NHS employ people so dangerous and toxic that they actively look for ways of placing these dangerous men alongside unwell women and girls:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9854261/Convicts-born-male-identify-female-placed-women-wards.html

Appletreefarmyard · 02/01/2023 09:31

I started my own thread, by accident, with a link to the original Policy Exchange report. When I went to request a deletion, I saw that it has been hidden whilst the MN team look at it. I then posted the link on this thread, but it has been hidden also. I expect there is an issue with the link.

If you want to read it - if you go to Policy Exchanges website, there is a link to the report on the landing page.

musicalfrog · 02/01/2023 09:17

Quite agree @TheYummyPatler

So many people and organisations playing along with their game though, probably makes it easy to shut that part out.

Don't get me started on patients being able to define their own gender (sex not even a thing any more on forms), when it impacts on the type of care they need but might not get. Everyone is being failed here.

Appletreefarmyard · 02/01/2023 09:16

Here is a link to the PE report

policyexchange.org.uk/publication/gender-identity-ideology-in-the-nhs/

TheYummyPatler · 02/01/2023 09:04

musicalfrog · 02/01/2023 08:45

Why would a trans person not declare their sex on occasions like these? It's not an unreasonable request from the patient and any clinician has a duty of care to patients.

Because they've been sold a lie that it's possible to change sex. They actually believe they are the opposite sex.

A medically trained clinician who actually believes they have actually changed sex on issue of a GRC is a problem and probably shouldn’t be allowed to treat any patients on the basis that their understanding of human biology is fucked.

TheYummyPatler · 02/01/2023 09:02

PaleBlueMoonlight · 02/01/2023 08:34

Even though I no longer find this stuff surprising, I still find it horrifying. It should simply be a directive that staff must not provide care to someone requesting same sex care if they are not of the same sex as the patient (irrespective of gender identity/legal sex).

I think there must be serious concerns about any member of staff who would even consider using the gender identity loophole and insist on providing care to a patient they know to have requested same sex care.

This is a policy that can only benefit those whose motives are problematic. The majority of HCPs would (and should) want to support their patients’ dignity, and that means stepping aside when they know a patient does not want to be treated by someone if their sex. Placing validation of your own gender identity (or anything similar) above what you know to be the patients’ wishes is a warning sign more generally. HCPs should care about patients’ informed consent to everything.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 02/01/2023 08:52

where the staff member has their Gender Recognition Certificate and is fully transitioned to their preferred gender, this will not apply,” it added.
It also does not define what “fully transitioned” means.

I'm pretty sure that legally having a GRC can will count as having 'fully transitioned'. Certainly this can be read that way. No other measures required

musicalfrog · 02/01/2023 08:45

Why would a trans person not declare their sex on occasions like these? It's not an unreasonable request from the patient and any clinician has a duty of care to patients.

Because they've been sold a lie that it's possible to change sex. They actually believe they are the opposite sex.

Boiledbeetle · 02/01/2023 08:39

PaleBlueMoonlight · 02/01/2023 08:34

Even though I no longer find this stuff surprising, I still find it horrifying. It should simply be a directive that staff must not provide care to someone requesting same sex care if they are not of the same sex as the patient (irrespective of gender identity/legal sex).

Yeah I'm no longer surprised, but every time I read about yet another thing that never happens, that's been going on under the radar, blah blah blah

I get that awful sinking feeling and have a moment of just ughhhhhhh

It happens every bloody day at the moment

PaleBlueMoonlight · 02/01/2023 08:34

Even though I no longer find this stuff surprising, I still find it horrifying. It should simply be a directive that staff must not provide care to someone requesting same sex care if they are not of the same sex as the patient (irrespective of gender identity/legal sex).

ResisterRex · 02/01/2023 08:33

I found this from 2006:

National review ordered into NHS sexual assaults

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a090d9aa-8348-43f9-9295-c0e53eda78fb?shareToken=81b14993e564ddf4a0f2c6180121a3ea

"EVERY mental health trust in the country is to be instructed by the Government to review approaches to sexual safety following the publication of a damning report describing alleged rapes, assaults and harassment.

Officials have been aware of the report for more than eight months, but published it only yesterday — a week after The Times revealed its contents. They said that a separate inquiry had been started into the most serious alleged incidents, which include 11 reports of rapes by NHS staff."

I note:

"The report brings into question the Government’s claim to have set up single sex wards that are safe and ensure personal dignity across the health service. The pledge, made by Tony Blair as far back as 1996, has been met in 99 per cent of mental health settings, the Government claims."

And:

"Tim Loughton, the Tory health spokesman, told the House of Commons yesterday that the Government had “sought to suppress” the report. He also rubbished claims by Rosie Winterton, the Health Minister, that 99 per cent of wards are single sex and called for action to improve conditions for people hospitalised with mental illness.

“No-one who has visited a mental hospital remotely believes your assertion that 99 per cent of them offer only single sex wards,” he said. “A flimsy curtain across a ward does not constitute a single sex ward.”"

For those old enough to remember, it's from before Mind was captured:

"Paul Farmer, chief executive of Mind, the leading mental health charity, described the report as “truly shocking”. He called for an urgent audit of single-sex wards and a systematic means of collecting sexual safety information annually, and acting on it."

Helleofabore · 02/01/2023 08:32

frazzledali · 02/01/2023 06:35

You know what's seriously compromised the NHS? Years of Tory dismantling and underfunding. Shouting about that, are we? No. Cowards.

Oh noes!!!!’ The women are misbehaving and looking at issues we haven’t said they all morally allowed to!!

Those with performance issues need to be returned for reprogramming!

In the meantime- distract! Distract!! Distract!

Helleofabore · 02/01/2023 08:29

Horrific disrespect that GRC status is not needed to be disclosed .

That GRC is a free pass for never having to extend respect for informed consent, isn’t it?

SallyLockheart · 02/01/2023 08:15

it get worse. Thanks not for the Times article, with extra information

Policy Exchange said the “prioritisation of gender above sex” endorsed “in the letter and by officials across NHS departments fundamentally fails to recognise the consequences of denying sex-based rights”. It says freedom of information requests revealed up to 30 sexual assaults against females on hospital property at the Bristol trust.
The think tank says Barker’s letter contains policies that “explicitly compromise sex-based rights permissible within the law”. It added that its paper reveals a “staggering incompetence within the wider NHS in dealing with gender identity ideology”, saying the case was unlikely to be isolated.

30 sexual assaults? Since 2019. OMG. Why has this not been picked up earlier.

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Abccde · 02/01/2023 07:57

I think this is a perfect example of where the Equality Act needs updating l.

And also where there should be an enhanced DBA allowed for certain employment where this information is made available to aj employer.

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