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Model response to a dilemma for women in the left-right storm (really?)

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IwantToRetire · 01/01/2023 19:10

So not satisfied with appropriating the work, ideas and campaigning of one woman and many active supporters, some complete set of nobody film makers have taken it upon themselves to school us silly air heads on how to behave and who to talk to.

Leaving aside the smug condescension of believing the have the right to tell us how to behave, this is a perfect example of where complete nobodies who exploit other people to further their own media career, then assume they are as politically relevant and analytically acute as actual activists.

kaygreen.blog/2022/12/31/model-response-to-a-dilemma-for-women-in-the-left-right-storm/

This is the problem with the media at the moment, presenters and film makers who are just the vehicle to get voices and ideas heard, then think they are entitled to become the spokes person.

Apart from anything else, did these nupties even think maybe we should ask those who the film was actually about. I know they would, having been hand selected as the appropriately politically aligned voices, also refused, but even within the unethical world of these self promoters, do they really think they take precedence.

But it does gives us a clear idea of their moral compass and how they felt able to bandwagon of others work and go to extreme lengths to make sure they are never referred to or acknowledged.

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Onnabugeisha · 04/01/2023 19:37

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/01/2023 19:29

no, none of that is gender critical

where does he say stereotypes on the basis of sex are wrong? that's what gender critical means

do you know what

  1. gender
  2. critical

mean?

cos it's starting to look like you don't

Im afraid you are mistaken. Yes GC activists claim that gender stereotypes based on sex should be abolished, but that is not what they are campaigning for, is it? They are campaigning for the definition of woman to be based purely on biological sex, ergo transwomen are not women because they are male. And of course everything that goes along with that, as in transwomen cannot access womens single sex spaces or services or toilets/changing rooms or sports, or awards or diversity hires because they are not women.

But in case you think I’m wrong, here’s what Wikipedia says…

“Feminists who describe themselves as "gender-critical" say that biological sex is "real, important, and immutable" and is "not to be conflated with gender identity", and that feminism should organize with emphasis on the basis of sex rather than gender.”
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_transgender_topics#Gender-critical_feminism_and_trans-exclusionary_radical_feminism

So Whitlocks discussion on the definition of woman and criticism of transgenderism as an absurdity is 100% GC.

Helleofabore · 04/01/2023 19:35

Yeah. Seem like some posters don’t understand what gender critical is.

There is just a whole lot of sexists out there. They believe that sex is real too. They don’t prioritise women’s and children’s rights though and if they do, probably not for the same motivations that we do.

Hence we slip back into this cycle of ‘far right’ and guilt by alignment.

Onnabugeisha · 04/01/2023 19:32

Helleofabore · 04/01/2023 19:26

No. I am acknowledging that people make choices that are sometimes not ideal when faced with a worse choice.

And I am also a person who doesn’t believe in throwing away my vote out of principal. Because I have lived in marginal seats and if I threw away my vote, I would have ended up with the worse candidate representing me. So no, I don’t believe in throwing away your vote. If I come across people who complain about who is representing them and find they didn’t vote, I feel little sympathy at all.

Good for you if you choose not to vote though!

No, you are constructing a narrative that suits your agenda that Riley Gaines couldn’t possibly actually be pro-life despite her voting for and working on the campaign for a pro-life Senator Paul Rand. That the poor young woman must have been ‘forced’ into it.

Do you think the same about women who vote for pro-choice candidates who also happen to support transgender ideology? That the poor dears are forced into it?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/01/2023 19:29

Onnabugeisha · 04/01/2023 19:27

Oh, is that how it’s going to be?

“Jason Whitlock said Wednesday the left is trying to "dismantle the truth," pointing out Ketanji Brown Jackson's refusal to define what a woman is.

"I’m going to go all the way to Voltaire again: 'those who can make you believe absurdities will make you commit atrocities.' And we are in the midst of a great atrocity going on here in America," the host of "Fearless" said on "Tucker Carlson Tonight," arguing the viral exchange is emblematic of larger issues.

"This is a long process that we are in the middle of. We’re naming Supreme Court justices who aren’t committed to truth, but they are political activists and so a simple question like ‘what’s a woman,' she can’t answer because the goal is to create chaos and disorder by dismantling the truth. If there is no agreed-upon truth as simple as men and women, you can’t have an organized, properly functioning society," he added.

At Tuesday's Senate hearing, Jackson told Sen. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., that she was unable to define what a woman was because she is "not a biologist."

So the above that Whitlock said on the video I linked you too isn’t GC at all?
🙄

no, none of that is gender critical

where does he say stereotypes on the basis of sex are wrong? that's what gender critical means

do you know what

  1. gender
  2. critical

mean?

cos it's starting to look like you don't

Onnabugeisha · 04/01/2023 19:27

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/01/2023 19:23

nope

try again

that was a load of stuff about free speech

nothing about being critical of gender

I'd say that fella LOVES gender

he just thinks only women should be feminine and only men should be masculine

Oh, is that how it’s going to be?

“Jason Whitlock said Wednesday the left is trying to "dismantle the truth," pointing out Ketanji Brown Jackson's refusal to define what a woman is.

"I’m going to go all the way to Voltaire again: 'those who can make you believe absurdities will make you commit atrocities.' And we are in the midst of a great atrocity going on here in America," the host of "Fearless" said on "Tucker Carlson Tonight," arguing the viral exchange is emblematic of larger issues.

"This is a long process that we are in the middle of. We’re naming Supreme Court justices who aren’t committed to truth, but they are political activists and so a simple question like ‘what’s a woman,' she can’t answer because the goal is to create chaos and disorder by dismantling the truth. If there is no agreed-upon truth as simple as men and women, you can’t have an organized, properly functioning society," he added.

At Tuesday's Senate hearing, Jackson told Sen. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., that she was unable to define what a woman was because she is "not a biologist."

So the above that Whitlock said on the video I linked you too isn’t GC at all?
🙄

Helleofabore · 04/01/2023 19:26

Onnabugeisha · 04/01/2023 19:11

She had a choice to vote for another candidate or not vote. She had a choice to not appear in one of his campaign adverts.

I cannot believe you are seriously saying a woman who worked for and voted for a pro-life senator “had no choice”.

I don’t think it’s ‘forcing absolutism’ to point this out. Or do you think that all the women who voted for Trump also ‘had no choice’? You are denying the fact that she had agency and infantilising her.

No. I am acknowledging that people make choices that are sometimes not ideal when faced with a worse choice.

And I am also a person who doesn’t believe in throwing away my vote out of principal. Because I have lived in marginal seats and if I threw away my vote, I would have ended up with the worse candidate representing me. So no, I don’t believe in throwing away your vote. If I come across people who complain about who is representing them and find they didn’t vote, I feel little sympathy at all.

Good for you if you choose not to vote though!

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/01/2023 19:23

Onnabugeisha · 04/01/2023 19:21

nope

try again

that was a load of stuff about free speech

nothing about being critical of gender

I'd say that fella LOVES gender

he just thinks only women should be feminine and only men should be masculine

Onnabugeisha · 04/01/2023 19:23

ResisterRex · 04/01/2023 19:19

It is a "big whoop" as your own lack of basic due diligence undermines the point you were trying to make.

Not really. All that means is even fewer U.K. GC activists have been on TC than I thought. And her focus on only KD was to the exclusion of every other GC activist who has been on there and is avidly pro-life. She was trying to argue I was ‘disingenuous’ with a sample of 1.

Onnabugeisha · 04/01/2023 19:21

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/01/2023 18:54

I googled Jason Whitlock

what makes you think he’s gender critical?

I can’t find any instances of him critiquing gender

I think he’s pretty clear that men can never be women, but those aren’t the same thing fyi

This is a pretty big indication.
www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-carlson-whitlock-woman-ketanji-brown-jackson

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/01/2023 19:20

what about this jason fella?

not GC in the slightest, right? unless you've got some examples of him criticising gender @Onnabugeisha ?

you could prove me wrong too! such fun!

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/01/2023 19:19

Onnabugeisha · 04/01/2023 19:17

Well, she says she is in the US and it doesn’t matter if she really is or isn’t in the US, she was still wrong and I have shown that. 🤷‍♀️

'I have shown that'

well case closed then
Grin Grin Grin

(you haven't shown 'that')

ResisterRex · 04/01/2023 19:19

It is a "big whoop" as your own lack of basic due diligence undermines the point you were trying to make.

Onnabugeisha · 04/01/2023 19:18

ResisterRex · 04/01/2023 19:17

Yes. And the point about Kara Dansky.

Yeah I forgot KDs nationality. Big whoop.

Onnabugeisha · 04/01/2023 19:17

Floisme · 04/01/2023 19:07

Fact check what of mine?

I think people are referring to the way you talked down to Grinitch as if she were in the UK. And haven't even acknowledged your mistake.

Well, she says she is in the US and it doesn’t matter if she really is or isn’t in the US, she was still wrong and I have shown that. 🤷‍♀️

ResisterRex · 04/01/2023 19:17

Floisme · 04/01/2023 19:07

Fact check what of mine?

I think people are referring to the way you talked down to Grinitch as if she were in the UK. And haven't even acknowledged your mistake.

Yes. And the point about Kara Dansky.

Onnabugeisha · 04/01/2023 19:16

Helleofabore · 04/01/2023 19:08

By feminists?

Why are you shutting down opportunities for feminist voices and a feminist perspective getting put across rather than a males or someone else ?

Seriously?

The way to ensure that feminists get the message across is to platform more feminists!

No it’s not. He doesn’t let his show express feminist views at all other than the GC ones. I’m not shutting down any opportunities, Fox News is carefully curated news.

Onnabugeisha · 04/01/2023 19:14

TheWitchesAreBackInTown · 04/01/2023 19:09

TC doesn’t allow anyone to express any pro-choice views in his shows.

Misleading statement there. We were talking about women's GC views as a counterpoint to all the other views you mentioned.

I misunderstood you then, because GC views are not a counterpoint to Tucker Carlsons views. He doesn’t have them on to argue or debate with them, but to be in violent agreement with them.

So I thought you were referring back to my point about how many of the GC activists are pro-life and a few are pro-choice….so you said good they (the pro choice ones) can provide a counterpoint. That’s how I understood your comment,

I did not know that you didn’t know that Tucker Carlson doesn’t debate GC activists, he is always in 100% agreement with them…so GC views are not a counterpoint at all on his shows.

Onnabugeisha · 04/01/2023 19:11

Helleofabore · 04/01/2023 19:01

Yeah. You are attempting to force your own absolutism onto Riley.

Which other candidates did she have a choice to back? Or should she have not voted at all? Was the other candidates that looked like getting in worse?

Do you know, or are you drawing your own scenario here?

Was she herself out there campaigning to ban abortion? Or was she like one of my local campaigners, fully supportive of women rights whereas there candidate was fully up for males in women’s prisons, sports and women’s shelters.

She had a choice to vote for another candidate or not vote. She had a choice to not appear in one of his campaign adverts.

I cannot believe you are seriously saying a woman who worked for and voted for a pro-life senator “had no choice”.

I don’t think it’s ‘forcing absolutism’ to point this out. Or do you think that all the women who voted for Trump also ‘had no choice’? You are denying the fact that she had agency and infantilising her.

TheWitchesAreBackInTown · 04/01/2023 19:09

TC doesn’t allow anyone to express any pro-choice views in his shows.

Misleading statement there. We were talking about women's GC views as a counterpoint to all the other views you mentioned.

Helleofabore · 04/01/2023 19:08

Onnabugeisha · 04/01/2023 19:06

I think any rhetoric saying that Tucker Carlson has been ‘done’ is not really an honest take.
Lol. It has been done to death by Tucker Carlson and Fox News in general.

By feminists?

Why are you shutting down opportunities for feminist voices and a feminist perspective getting put across rather than a males or someone else ?

Seriously?

The way to ensure that feminists get the message across is to platform more feminists!

Floisme · 04/01/2023 19:07

Fact check what of mine?

I think people are referring to the way you talked down to Grinitch as if she were in the UK. And haven't even acknowledged your mistake.

Onnabugeisha · 04/01/2023 19:06

I think any rhetoric saying that Tucker Carlson has been ‘done’ is not really an honest take.
Lol. It has been done to death by Tucker Carlson and Fox News in general.

Onnabugeisha · 04/01/2023 19:04

ResisterRex · 04/01/2023 18:53

Oh god, I feel that link with all the screenshots and no sources about KJK might be posted soon.

As for cherry picking, Bug you couldn't even be bothered to fact check yours.

Fact check what of mine?

Helleofabore · 04/01/2023 19:01

Onnabugeisha · 04/01/2023 18:48

She still voted for and worked for a pro-life Senator. She had a choice. We all do. She is pro-life in action.

Yeah. You are attempting to force your own absolutism onto Riley.

Which other candidates did she have a choice to back? Or should she have not voted at all? Was the other candidates that looked like getting in worse?

Do you know, or are you drawing your own scenario here?

Was she herself out there campaigning to ban abortion? Or was she like one of my local campaigners, fully supportive of women rights whereas there candidate was fully up for males in women’s prisons, sports and women’s shelters.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/01/2023 18:56

Do we need to check terms again?

I’m not convinced @Onnabugeisha understands what gender critical means

(the clue is really in the name)