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Giggle being sued … again.

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WarningToTheCurious · 31/12/2022 10:42

As reported in The Guardian:

www.theguardian.com/media/2022/dec/31/transgender-woman-sues-female-only-app-giggle-for-girls-for-alleged-discrimination

[Roxanne] Tickle’s access was revoked despite her selfie being approved by artificial intelligence in February 2021, giving her full access to the site, she said.

I‘m not surprised the AI was fooled into thinking this person was female given the ridiculous levels of photo filtering employed by this person.

Hope Sall continues to hold her line.

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Helleofabore · 05/01/2023 08:06

Yes Bernard.

Claire Chandler is awesome in her bravery and her persistence.

It was interesting to how the journo was clear about the sex of this male. I guess they could write an article with any credibility about the case without that declaration up front.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 05/01/2023 08:01

Use of female pronouns for a man makes the article a bit confusing, but the quotes from politicians are excellent

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 31/12/2022 17:29

TightFistedWozerk · 31/12/2022 11:04

Venn diagram men who don't like being told no v TW who don't like being told no:

O

oh so much this

ClitoralViolence · 31/12/2022 15:52

iamthesparrow · 31/12/2022 12:07

FFS, he's a furry too. Of course he is.

Another bingo tick box.

Tickle the boxes, he does.

JacquelinePot · 31/12/2022 15:51

I thought this case had been dropped? I'm sure Sall said that (I paraphrase) she wanted the case to go ahead because she's confident she would win and that would set a precedent that men can be excluded from women only spaces

Savage Minds: Julian Vigo interviewing Sall Grover
https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/87751603/b1dfaca7ba7bb2166723e6f3168bfff8.mp3

Abhannmor · 31/12/2022 15:39

Hope she does a crowdfunder.

NotTerfNorCis · 31/12/2022 14:46

Roxanne Tickle? Just an ordinary,
everyday women's name. Nothing to see here.

Helleofabore · 31/12/2022 12:39

Yes. And the previous case was dropped when Sal was in very late stages of pregnancy!

This really should never have been allowed to get this far.

Loveacuppa · 31/12/2022 12:39

Justme56 · 31/12/2022 11:58

I remember Sal saying that she has to employ people to double check AI as there were so many men trying to access the app (no matter what their gender identities). As well as being creepy I think some of these men just thought it was some sort of game to beat the system and get one over on females having something for themselves.

Perhaps they could shift towards further development of the AI that correctly determines Sex based on retinal scans (rather than relying on facial features)?
(Just need an easy way to scan the back of an eyeball.....)

NotBadConsidering · 31/12/2022 12:37

People will see through the woman face and see a narcissistic male who doesn't like a woman saying no

But Sall Grover has to potentially go to Federal Court for everyone to see this, whilst running a company trying to relaunch an app with a young baby. The process is the punishment.

Boiledbeetle · 31/12/2022 12:33

Helleofabore · 31/12/2022 11:54

m.youtube.com/watch?v=STX1GCxYEIc

Tickle was included on this program discussing female sport. Along with other notable male sports people such as Layt - from the 00’s NSW female rugby. It is always interesting though to see Mianne Bagger included. I wonder how much longer some media will include them considering they now express regret at the policy changes they forced through with their case in international golf.

So he stopped playing hockey because HE was uncomfortable around the men and the smells of the other men, but feels it perfectly OK to subject women to those along with his actual male body and his male face and his male voice.

HOW BLOODY DARE HE what a self entitled man he is.

And the giggle photo going off that video must have filtered then filtered then filtered then filtered......

Abccde · 31/12/2022 12:27

I think we should all be grateful to Tickle et al.

A decent person let's woman have their own space.

A decent person does not try and get entry to spaces where women say no.

It doesn't matter what the law says. There is right and wrong morally.

Tickle is showing themselves up for exactly what they are.

People will see through the woman face and see a narcissistic male who doesn't like a woman saying no.

iamthesparrow · 31/12/2022 12:07

FFS, he's a furry too. Of course he is.

Another bingo tick box.

FOJN · 31/12/2022 12:03

WarningToTheCurious · 31/12/2022 11:27

@FOJN was that a typo or deliberate misspelling? 🤣

Sadly just a typo. Completely unnoticed until I saw your post and now I've given myself the biggest laugh of the day yet! 🤣

Helleofabore · 31/12/2022 12:02

NotBadConsidering · 31/12/2022 11:48

It was Gillard. But this is Federal rather than Tasmanian state law. Hopefully a Federal judge will weigh up the implications for the entire country. If it gets that far, it may be that Tickle has missed the window and that’s it.

Yes notbad, however I was using Tasmania ruling as an indication of how some laws are coming in that surely would be using that Act to support those laws.

I do very much share your hope that a Federal judge will weigh it all up and choose wisely. It is tempered though by great unease.

Justme56 · 31/12/2022 11:58

I remember Sal saying that she has to employ people to double check AI as there were so many men trying to access the app (no matter what their gender identities). As well as being creepy I think some of these men just thought it was some sort of game to beat the system and get one over on females having something for themselves.

LaughingPriest · 31/12/2022 11:58

nauticant · 31/12/2022 11:47

To say you can identify as female-sex is to say that sex and gender are the same thing.

One thing I detest about trans activists it's how they taunt women with statements that gender and sex are separate things and then the next moment they're arguing for male people to be in women's single sex spaces because of reasoning based on a combined sex/gender concept.

It's the pretzel logic. It's so dishonest.

"Your gender is something entirely different from your sex, so you can have a man or woman gender regardless of your body, but your sex is the same as what your gender is"

Helleofabore · 31/12/2022 11:54

m.youtube.com/watch?v=STX1GCxYEIc

Tickle was included on this program discussing female sport. Along with other notable male sports people such as Layt - from the 00’s NSW female rugby. It is always interesting though to see Mianne Bagger included. I wonder how much longer some media will include them considering they now express regret at the policy changes they forced through with their case in international golf.

WarningToTheCurious · 31/12/2022 11:50

iamthesparrow · 31/12/2022 11:43

Christ, how did that obvious man get past the face check.

Filtered to fuck. That’s the technical term.

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NotBadConsidering · 31/12/2022 11:48

Helleofabore · 31/12/2022 11:39

If I remember correctly the much lauded feminist Julia Gillard was instrumental in having ‘gender identity’ added in 2013 after Yogyakarta. I have never been a great fan of Gillard. And here she did us a great misservice.

I am worried for Sal here. Particularly after the Tasmanian lesbian ruling.

It was Gillard. But this is Federal rather than Tasmanian state law. Hopefully a Federal judge will weigh up the implications for the entire country. If it gets that far, it may be that Tickle has missed the window and that’s it.

nauticant · 31/12/2022 11:47

To say you can identify as female-sex is to say that sex and gender are the same thing.

One thing I detest about trans activists it's how they taunt women with statements that gender and sex are separate things and then the next moment they're arguing for male people to be in women's single sex spaces because of reasoning based on a combined sex/gender concept.

Datun · 31/12/2022 11:47

After initially suing Giggle and Grover in the federal circuit and family court in July this year, Tickle dropped the case, afraid of the legal costs after hearing the firm’s CEO would take the matter all the way to the high court if she had to.

Saying she now had “limited funding” to pursue the lawsuit, she is asking the federal court for approval to launch her case out of time.

This will be the 'strategic litigation' so beloved of trans lobby groups. Someone has chucked a load of money at it, in order to nail it down and set a precedent. Determined little misogynists, aren't they.

And yes, it will all depend upon whether or not there are single sex exceptions, like there are here. Presumably, Sal Grover has already established that, otherwise she wouldn't have been able to set it up in the first place.

The thing that gets me, as it does every other woman, I'm sure, is the agenda. Never mind the law, the agenda, which is undoubtedly, undeniably sexist, is being shouted from the rooftops.

What's the point in having laws to limit sexism, if you stand by and watch them be exploited to exactly that end??

iamthesparrow · 31/12/2022 11:43

Christ, how did that obvious man get past the face check.

Helleofabore · 31/12/2022 11:41

‘yeah, Roxy’s got some spunk, that’s for sure’.

yeah! Literally!!

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