I don't have a gender because I refuse to believe in gender woo. But I'm not gender non conforming. What am I?

Well not belief. Fact. It doesn't matter what appearance you take on or what actions you perform: your biological sex doesn't change.

You remain someone of that sex, just someone who is doing whatever while being of that sex.

With those stereotypes entirely variable as to which stereotypes are currently associated with which sex, depending on time, place and culture.

Hence the belief that anyone can wear, like, and do anything without it having the faintest impact on the sex that they are. They just are someone of that biological sex who happens to do/like/be whatever.

It's more accurate to say that gender doesn't exist without sex. What do you think it is, if not a framework of stereotypes relating to one or other of the two sexes?

I don't understand how anyone can be gender-free, even and especially if they are gender critical, if you are a human living in society, then anything you know about yourself as a woman is gendered knowledge, no? In one way or another? I mean sex refers to a biological condition but even the most critically attuned don't have access to an understanding of sex that isn't gendered, right? Have I misunderstood what you are saying there?

Something seemed to happen a few years ago when gender became simply a shortcut to meaning gender stereotypes.

Always used it as a polite synonym for sex. For example Sex and Gender Studies at Uni is far clearer than calling a course Sex Studies.

"Violence against women doesn't require a physical assessment of genitals. It is based on a stereotyped gendered appearance."

But that is still very largely sex-based - a woman would typically be perceived as someone who dresses stereotypically female AND physically looks female, and humans are very good at picking up sex clues. A man would be less likely to commit violence against someone who is nearer their physical size and more likely to successfully fight back.

I agree. I think it is odd to deny gender and gender based stereotypes exist. Make-up and high heels and dresses are stereotyped gendered dress of women. I am a woman who does not use either but these are gender based. Men can use them but this is considered gender non conforming in our society. And if a man dresses up exactly like a woman and gets cat called by a construction worker as he walks down the street, that is a gender based behaviour, not sex as the man is presenting as a woman.

Sterotypes are different but exist in most cultures - the norms and behaviours are different by gender.

Violence against women doesn't require a physical assessment of genitals. It is based on a stereotyped gendered appearance.

I don’t think any are useful either, I was just curious what OP thought.
However, rejecting stereotypes doesn’t make me any less a woman, and I’m happy to ‘label’ myself as such. I think OP and I mostly agree, apart from the labelling aspect.

You're a woman.

Good plan!

I too "identify" as gender-free. Pronouns are literal violence! 😂

Doesn't matter what women think, it matters which definitions of the word are used in lawmaking.

Create your own term. People can't argue with you these days; you can be whatever you decide you are on a whim without rebuttal.

I understand and, if asked, I say I identify by my biological sex which is female.

Like you, I don’t have a gender because I don’t subscribe to the stereotypes. It doesn’t make me agender or non-binary (which describes everybody I know in terms of stereotypes) or anything else from that tick box drop down.

Where possible, and it’s getting harder, I tick other and write a statement. How that gets translated into quantifiable data I don’t know. Being cynical, I suspect not as I would hope!

Well, I believe gender exists - as a set of norms and behaviours we're all subjected to about how the sexes should act/dress/think etc. I just happen to think it's BS and have rejected it my whole life.

What I don't believe in is a mystical gendered soul that tells you, you should be something other than the sex you were born. 'Gender atheist' can be a helpful term for that.

Not much to add, apart some of my amazing?!? Artwork. Hopefully this whole thing will come falliing down in 2023.

I am reminded, for some reason, of my mother mentioning "If all your friends jumped off a cliff would you jump too?"

Attention seeking ?

I don't know what you're all talking about! Gender is amazing and totally emancipating. I was once a lowly "tomboy" receiving side glances from the aunties at Christenings and weddings because I had my hair cut into a bob.

Since I've started identifying as a my true manly manself, courtesy of a lifetime of snake oil testosterone, I've got myself a wife (who conveniently doubles up as my maid and PA) whilst I cruise on my fake-dick having privilege to the top of my career ladder. My favourite hobbies now include walking around at night carefree, ignoring all my relatives birthdays, and leering at women in the gym.

Magic! Y'all are missing out. 😂

God bless, when used like that makes my head go to a wired angle and my eyebrow involuntarily starts to rise.

Then my brain has the brief thought tit

I was very hurt bernard.

By the fact that someone seems to actually believe they can write “I don't see how anything in my post is dishonest” while using “God Bless” in that way….

The dissonance was like whiplash.

A fine live demonstration! I think I remember the poster on a thread where we discussed the crinkling of period products. Were they the ones who told women that as a woman they had never heard a crinkle of period packaging in all their years????

Gender is a nonsense. There is only sex. You are XX chromasomes therefore a woman. Be proud to own it.

Make mischief 2023

Could be our plan for the year. All those that can't be too vocal due to jobs etc. Play them at their own game.

Clog everything up and do what @Metabigothas done.
Then complain complain complain. Best pained face. Best tears. Best "it's just so genderfree phobic, I feel their questions literally really like a stab to my very personal non gendered flowing essence of me-ness". Big cries, full snot version.

The head office will soon get sick of no work getting done and knock it all on the head so we can get back to normality.

OP I think you will find that we are "boring women". That is, the old-fashioned female type of woman, non- stereotypical and unique. Just that nobody wants to hear about us. Good news: the whole gender bollocks rests on our shoulders. Without us, there is no point in identifying as us. But for good or bad, most of us are too busy to get involved with all this introspection. I like your approach though. If we're going to be forced into giving everyone a label, may as well play along.

I asked the EDI manager at work if I'd have to put pronouns in emails as I'm genderfree.

She replied thanking me for disclosing my identity and of course not if it made me uncomfortable.

@Metabigot god that person must be... insufferable.

I suppose if someone starts getting in your face though about not using pronoun for yourself you can just look upset, run off to a toilet then come back five minutes later and fire off a quick email to hr/edi about how you are being victimised and bullied by the resident TRA.

god bless

oohhh burn! hope you're Ok @Helleofabore

interesting to see people on this thread confusing sex and gender

I think that's why genderism took off so well. There are plenty of people who genuinely believe in gender. They just think only women can / should have stereotypically feminine characteristics and only men stereotypically masculine ones

and if you're a man with stereotypically feminine characteristics (it often seems to boil down to enjoying being sexually submissive for the chaps on twitter), rather than embracing them and still being a man, you should pretend to be a woman

that way no-one's gender based prejudices are challenged and that makes some people feel much more comfortable