How do you speak up without being called transphobic

Talking about tropes!!

Safeguarding should be about assessing your risk to female people and children because you are male.

A male with their penis removed is still a male.

Or are you going to post the evidence that you, as a male in a particular group of males, have a lower risk than all other males for committing crimes? Specifically sex crimes?

Please do post that because we have been asking for that evidence for years now.

All we get is crickets.

Yes agreed.And also the children of many families of colour some of whom may have strong christian beliefs,are expected to sit through lessons on gender ideology.As a supply teacher i refused to teach kids that lesbians can be men.We did something else for PHSE.I dont like religions of any kind.They tend to exclude women who dont conform to stereotypical roles but i support the right of people to worship as they will.I dont agree that every church should be forced to marry same sex couples or be called homophobic.

Absolutely

I’d be interested to know more OP in the kind of situations where you would like to raise your voice but currently feel inhibited from doing so.

I’m afraid it’s largely true that any form of dissent from the orthodoxy of gender identity ideology will be perceived/shouted down as “transphobia” by those who subscribe to the ideology. For my part, I’m not so interested in what the true believers think: they’re largely a lost cause anyway.

So if someone on this thread for example calls me a transphobe, it’s water off a duck’s back. I just think they’re a misogynist.

It’s obviously much harder in real life, and the hardest area I think is with those people who really haven’t stopped to think about it much at all but have just accepted the party line that “trans rights” are the new gay rights, who are unaware of how much is going on and has gone on behind the scenes, and who have fallen for the “inclusion” line.

They might be receptive to hearing new information about some aspects of GII, but it’s hard for them to challenge the ideology at its foundation because there’s been so much propaganda, and it’s been so effective. There really is a pervasive belief that decent people go along with this, and to question the whole concept of “trans” is seen as really quite shocking. Like somebody questioning the existence of God in a religious society.

It is extremely hard to be the only person in the room challenging it, if that’s the kind of setting you’re talking about - group dynamics in a work related or family gathering for example - and I definitely wouldn’t recommend starting there unless you actively enjoy confrontation, which from your OP I suspect you don’t.

Talking to someone one on one is generally easier, especially if that someone is going along with it largely out of ignorance rather than being a true believer. Who specifically are you worried about being called transphobic by? What impact would it have on your life? Is there any way you can start a conversation with one person on one specific issue that feels safer than others?

Women have been silenced for so long, in so many ways. This is just the latest iteration of it. We’re all just doing what we can to break that, even if it’s only posting on here.

I don't care if I'm called transphobic for supporting women's rights.

I know. I thought transactivists had given up trying to pretend AGP doesn't exist, given how many prominent transwomen bang on about it/write about it/make movies about it.

Even the daily telegraph publishes articles by Debbie Hayton, self-confessed AGP.

Transphobic now means says no to a man. That's what really pisses the TRAs off as they don't want equal rights (they already have them) but want all women to do as they are told.

The downplaying of AGP rather goes against the fact that this is celebrated all over the internet from “sissy” porn to Tumblr to “transgender theory” books by Andrea Long Chu and others, to novels like Detransition, Baby.

As if we aren’t able to see that just as you’re claiming it’s transphobic to say this, there are examples everywhere on the internet that one cares to look.

Gender ideologists can’t simultaneously welcome erotic cross dressers to the “trans umbrella”, and celebrate Andrea Long Chu writing about how porn and submission are integral to the trans fantasy of womanhood, then turn around and tell us that doesn’t exist, and how transphobic to suggest such a thing!

@Sparklybutold Could you point me towards the new legislation in Switzerland please? I'm aware of the SelfID legislation snuck in via the gay marriage provisions at the beginning of 2022. However, I am not aware of further laws and policies since then.

I'm not transphobic. I'm a live and let live kind of person but I won't tolerate threats to me or girls.
Neither will I wear a pronoun badge at work because I think its ridiculous.
If I go to a swimming pool changing room with a young girl I don't expect to see any penises in there because girl children don't need to see that.
I wouldn't be bothered if it was just me.
Some common sense would be nice.

“Cis” is a deliberate attempt to obscure or even erase the genuine male/female power axis by replacing it with the supposed “cis/trans” one. It implies that female people as a class are more powerful and privileged than this group of of male people, and so suggests that it is socially just for women to have to give up our rights and protections to accommodate that group of male people.

It’s gaslighting and abusive to women to use this term and promote the ideology that says these male people’s wishes should be indulged at the expense of female people’s needs, and not only that but that it’s “progressive” to do so. Women’s vulnerability and disadvantage relative to men is real and denying it in this way directly harms us.

If I see anyone using “cis”, I therefore automatically assume misogyny in that person, whether conscious or unconscious, internalised or externalised.

I saw a video posted by a prominent transwoman on Tiktok state that Greta Thunberg's tweet to the Tate guy with the fake email "tinydick..." was transphobic! It might hurt transmen's feelings

Do you mean when men are physically attacking you?

Because I too am sure nobody here would celebrate you being attacked not would we try to prevent you going to the police.

Why are you here berating women for the violence of men?

As ever, we are everyone's mums, everything is always our fault, and we will be punished for the crimes of others.

Totally agree. And it's these people, with their threats of violence, rape, revenge porn (and sometimes of course actual violence) that prove to me that TW are not women - this is not female behaviour.

It is an empty insult, which is unfortunately given weight by the police.

As in - absolutely anything at all can be termed 'transphobic' and reported to the police to be recorded as a 'Non Crime Hate Incident'. There are no criteria to what constitutes 'transphobic', as the definition rests entirely on the perception of the person reporting (who does not have to be trans, fwiw).

'A single distinct event or occurrence which disturbs an individual, group or community’s quality of life or causes them concern.'

Brave New World.

www.college.police.uk/app/major-investigation-and-public-protection/hate-crime/responding-non-crime-hate-incidents/changes

Surveillance in women-only toilets therefore reinforces the rules that gender-critical feminists claim they want to abolish

I'm not sure how many GC feminists have actually challenged "masculine" women in toilets - I suspect it's tiny. But if we are being more vigilant it's because men are muscling in on our space, it's not something GC women would have worried about before. So women get blamed for a situation that men have created. Plus ça change.

No, as we keep saying, male violence is a scourge.

There's almost nothing you can say that can't be termed transphobic these days, so it's an empty insult/ criticism lobbed by idiots. Once I understood that, I stopped caring if someone called me transphobic. You have to rise above all the name-calling and speak out to protect your and others' children and to stand up for women and rational thought.

Start by talking about sport. No one in their right mind believes that it's okay to allow men to compete against women in sports. Once you've raised that a few times and got nothing but support, start talking about loos and changing rooms. All the polls and evidence indicates that 90% of the population will agree with you.

Write to your MP stating where you stand on the issue. That's possibly the most important thing you can do, because no amount of talking about this among friends does any good if our legislators don't know how we feel.

Contact Women's Rights Network as a place to start.
www.womensrights.network
They sell leaflets that you can distribute once you've started talking about gender ideology and have met other women in your area who share your opinion and want to do something about it. I've found that leafletting in the street is a great way of encouraging others to start speaking out — and as 9 out of 10 people I randomly talk to are GC, it's a great way of reassuring myself that while our leaders have gone trans-mad, ordinary people on the street are clear that there are two sexes and that men are men and women are women.

Please don't use 'cisgender', it's an offensive term not allowed on these boards. 'Women' is fine. Thanks.

That’s the claim, but the reality not so much

”Gender-critical’ feminists (e.g. Jeffreys, 2014b) often argue that ‘trans activists’ reinforce stereotypical gender roles – for example, promoting that a woman must look and act in a particularly feminine way. In our data, however, hetero- and cisnormative systems and structures (protected by ‘gender-critical’ feminists and others), pressured trans people to act and present according to specific, normative gender expectations in order to keep themselves safe (see also Bender-Baird, 2016). Of course, cisgender women, too, have to meet these standards; gender non-conforming and butch cisgender women are also subject to misgendering and violence in women’s toilets (Cavanagh, 2010; Munt, 1998). Surveillance in women-only toilets therefore reinforces the rules that gender-critical feminists claim they want to abolish.”
journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0038026120934697

You’re entitled to your opinion. So is everyone else. What would you say about the many transwomen who would describe themselves as AGP? Or those who don’t have any medical interventions that would impact their sex drive? Breast implants are very common in transwomen, removal of the penis to create a pseudo vagina far less so. In fact, many self identifying transwomen make no body modifications at all. How do you explain that away?
I am pleased that you’ve acknowledged that taking opposite sex hormones “will do a number on your sex drive”. Personally, I find it somewhat sad that this information doesn’t seem to be shared with people as much as it should.

Ok, so I put this scenario on another forum yesterday, very politely I thought - the post was taken down and I’m banned for transphobia. Which tells us that the militant trans rights movement is a men’s rights movement. What reasonable human being would deny support to some of the most traumatised and disadvantaged women on earth? Women who fled a war torn country, spent sometimes years in refugee camps, where toilets were a magnet for assault.

These women need to connect with one another in a space that feels safe for them. From experience, if facilities are not female only, most go home and self exclude from future events. Why should their needs be brushed aside?

Anyway, back to the original question. I made sure that my organisation’s safeguarding policy is explicit about this issue and centres sex rather than gender. The policy is cascaded to the rest of the organisation and sometimes goes to external organisations too. I find that in real life, professionals generally understand, and if there are questions there is an opportunity to educate.

Op, unjustifiably being called transphobic is a way of shutting you down.

Most people disagree with this ideology, but many are afraid to say so.

If you want to ease into it, start with sport. Most people, however sexist, do not really subscribe to the idea that men should be competing in women's sport.

Well that might carry more weight, if AGP men didn't plaster their proclivities from one end of the Internet to the other. And yes they are just as trans has anyone else according to stonewall. And certainly the Scottish government.

And, slow handclap for trying to discredit the women who have accumulated upwards of 5000 posts on this board regarding their experience of living with AGP men.