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How do you speak up without being called transphobic

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Enterusername111333 · 30/12/2022 01:04

I just feel so lost... I don't know how to voice my opinion without accusations so I just take the easy option. Where does it end?

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Waitwhat23 · 30/12/2022 16:10

And the word transphobic has become so overused (and ludicrously used for things which are quite clearly not transphobic) that it's become just white noise.

So, eh. (shrug).

How do you speak up without being called transphobic
Waitwhat23 · 30/12/2022 15:56

If I see people using cis, I assume they are both credulous and misogynistic.

Helleofabore · 30/12/2022 15:44

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 30/12/2022 10:59

“Cis” is a deliberate attempt to obscure or even erase the genuine male/female power axis by replacing it with the supposed “cis/trans” one. It implies that female people as a class are more powerful and privileged than this group of of male people, and so suggests that it is socially just for women to have to give up our rights and protections to accommodate that group of male people.

It’s gaslighting and abusive to women to use this term and promote the ideology that says these male people’s wishes should be indulged at the expense of female people’s needs, and not only that but that it’s “progressive” to do so. Women’s vulnerability and disadvantage relative to men is real and denying it in this way directly harms us.

If I see anyone using “cis”, I therefore automatically assume misogyny in that person, whether conscious or unconscious, internalised or externalised.

Yes roaring!

FrippEnos · 30/12/2022 15:41

Villagetoraiseachild · 30/12/2022 12:49

Lordy, still hijacker focussed.....
Would love to see purple wedding photos, having only attended a red and purple wedding once....
But nearly one of the clock and not a child in the house washed or dressed.
Will bob back later to see if anyone can enlighten me......

check the post under your original one for one reason.
As for its original meaning in science and in geography it means this side of.

In transgender terms (if you believe in the ideology) its means either 'not trans' which would make trans the starting point or that you identify with the gender that you were identified as at birth.
This again assumes that you agree with gender ideology and not sex as the major factor of your body.

HiccupHorrendousHaddock · 30/12/2022 15:39

I find the appalling Katie Dolatowski situation very useful in explaining why trans-identifying males must be kept out of female only spaces.

KD is a 6’5” male convicted sex offender who attacked 10yo and 12yo girls in the women’s toilets of a supermarket. KD hid his true identity and was placed in a Leeds Women’s refuge with women and children there. Upon discovery, KD was returned to Scotland and sent to prison. Having beaten up a fellow male prisoner, they are now in a women’s prison.

KD illustrates so many situations where males should be separated from women, and what happens when they aren’t. Any sane, reasonable can see how awful this is.

It’s absolutely disgusting that vulnerable women and children are at risk because of political or religious views that TWAW.

FrippEnos · 30/12/2022 15:29

EvilBee

I would respect you more if you didn't use "cisgender".
It implies that everyone believe in your ideology.
I respect trans women (and trans men) as trans people.
Until they mis gender me with the term "cis", using the terms of your ideology is literal violence.

MrGHardy · 30/12/2022 15:04

You don't.

Transphobic has lost all meaning, and serves only as an attempt to smear.

Signalbox · 30/12/2022 14:50

senua · 30/12/2022 14:40

I don't know how to voice my opinion without accusations
Simple: don't voice opinions. Just ask them questions. For best effect, use a concerned and caring head tilt.Grin
See if you can get the other side to explain their opinion. They usually can't.

Ha ha yes of course this can work really well. Make them fully explain their misogynistic position whilst you stare back intently with a look of complete incredulity.

DialSquare · 30/12/2022 14:46

spike = spoke. Bloody phone.

ArabellaScott · 30/12/2022 14:43

nilsmousehammer · 30/12/2022 14:25

You see? By thought, by word, by deed, you will be judged a sinner OP. No way to avoid it, so you might as well not bother worrying about it. Any more than anyone else telling you you're damned according to their religious faith.

Yes.

DialSquare · 30/12/2022 14:40

"You see? By thought, by word, by deed, you will be judged a sinner OP. No way to avoid it, so you might as well not bother worrying about it. Any more than anyone else telling you you're damned according to their religious faith."

Exactly. When everyone wakes up to this madness, the ones that spike out can hold their heads high. The ones that collaborated....can't.

senua · 30/12/2022 14:40

I don't know how to voice my opinion without accusations
Simple: don't voice opinions. Just ask them questions. For best effect, use a concerned and caring head tilt.Grin
See if you can get the other side to explain their opinion. They usually can't.

nilsmousehammer · 30/12/2022 14:39

No kidding.

The bloke from Jane Eyre, dear Mr Brocklehurst, would slide into this attitude towards women without the faintest ripple. Soulmates in all directions.

Boiledbeetle · 30/12/2022 14:35

nilsmousehammer · 30/12/2022 14:25

You see? By thought, by word, by deed, you will be judged a sinner OP. No way to avoid it, so you might as well not bother worrying about it. Any more than anyone else telling you you're damned according to their religious faith.

It's just shut up sit down and do what the nice man tells you. Just dressed up !! Differently. Different generation, different words, same shit and same effect though.

nilsmousehammer · 30/12/2022 14:25

maddy68 · 30/12/2022 12:35

Have an oppion but don't be transphobic? If it looks transphobic , sounds transphobic it is transphobic

You see? By thought, by word, by deed, you will be judged a sinner OP. No way to avoid it, so you might as well not bother worrying about it. Any more than anyone else telling you you're damned according to their religious faith.

WallaceinAnderland · 30/12/2022 14:25

How do you speak up without being called transphobic

You can't. So just embrace it.

You can donate to fundraising in support of womens rights and sign petitions in the petitions and activism section Here

Sparklybutold · 30/12/2022 14:23

@Rheia1983

dcenquirer.com/gender-ideology-transgnederism-switzerland-rejection/

ArabellaScott · 30/12/2022 14:12

I first came across the three letter word that cant be used here at a work meeting to support a 'transitioning' person. I have even forgotten what it was supposed to mean.
I could google it, but can I trust the source?
Could someone who knows kindly explain the origin or why it was invented.? I get that it is considered offensive but dont know why.

I'm not sure which three letter word you mean? Usually so long as you're not applying an offensive word to or at someone it's okay, could you miss out some letters and type it out?

ValancyRedfern · 30/12/2022 14:04

Short answer: you can't. It's a very effective silencing tactic. I expressed concern about troubled teenagers losing their fertility and was told I wanted all trans people to die. You just need to ignore it and keep speaking out.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 30/12/2022 13:32

Yep. Even looking at local issues alone I am left with some truly weird options, none of which I can bring myself to endorse.

Boiledbeetle · 30/12/2022 13:30

@SamphirethePogoingStickerist ooh political homeless twins

LulooLemon · 30/12/2022 13:30

This whole thread will disappear soon, just like all the others.

Big Brother is watching. There is no free speech allowed on MN unless is the right (pro-trans) kind of speech.

In fact, the whole concept of MN being for 'Mums' i.e. women is a joke. MN does not care about the rights of females.

Boiledbeetle · 30/12/2022 13:18

Joshitai · 30/12/2022 13:01

Now I never wear women's clothes. Never. But...I wore a skirt, and a frilly sleeved top from the women's section, and heels and makeup. And straightened my hair. Because she was worth it, because I love her. Oh and because I'm also not a homophobe.

? You wore stereotypical feminine clothes to a same sex civil partnership ceremony because you’re not a homophobe? If you had worn unisex clothing, would that mean you are a homophobe? Why was she “worth it” for you to wear “women’s clothes”…did she ask you to? Does she prefer you to dress that way? Why does what you wore matter?

Because if i was a homophobic bigot like gets suggested about us "GC"folk i may have gone to it grudingly, family and all, but I wouldn't have put in one iota of additional effort.

I put myself out of my comfort zone, i presented myself to the world not as my true authentic self but how many sister wanted me look to the world on her wedding day. that made feel very vulnerable and, very wrong, to use another ideologies words.

But I did it to show someone else that they mattered.

Now do any of those actions warrant me getting accused of homophobia.

Was what I did a sign of raging rampant hated of a marginalised othered (not my word these have been used to insult me before) group veering to the more conservative thought processes im being accused of or someone who's kind and tolerant and believes EVERYONE should be able to live as however they choose.

Because if this shows im a bigot well, then there's no hope is there. Were doomed.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 30/12/2022 13:13

Boiledbeetle · 30/12/2022 12:15

EvilBee · Today 07:24

Utter nonsense - GC ideology is socially conservative to its core - GCs pretend that they're accepting of difference, but whenever anyone comes along who is non-conforming, they're as unpleasant as they are with trans ppl.

As a still, keep forgetting to cancel the direct debit, fully paid up member of the Labour Party, who can currently swivel on my finger if they think i'm voting for them in the next GE, I am getting rather tired of being labelled, amongst other things, a far right bigot.

But what I thought, as a woman capable of self reflection and willingness to learn, my views of late had pushed me politically.

Maybe I am now a far right bigot.

Who knows? Maybe I should do a test.

I am about 3mm above you. Odd isn't it? That we are all such rabid and consistent liars, maybe clones or socks... or maybe just not at all right wing.

Let me think...

waterwitch · 30/12/2022 13:12

Thankyou for the correction Justme, and good to hear 💐