How do you speak up without being called transphobic

How come a woman asks a question as the OP but the thread ends up being dominated by responding to particular poster and the OP's question gets lost? Does this not just replicate normal sexist patterns?

@EvilBee thank-you for your link. However as cited in the paper, data is based on very small samples (with even fewer in adolescents) and with lots of confounders, particularly related to trauma, one has to be particularly careful in drawing any meaningful conclusions. What is emerging however is the damage that these types of medications are causing, particularly with adolescents and is one of the central reasons there use in adolescent trans care has been halted.

It's okay, you're safe here on
Mumsnet, the most transphobic space I've ever come across 😂

I didn't get you started lol..if you want to talk about old Blanchardian nonsense I can, but as someone who has read into that particular silliness, you'll have a hard time.

For your benefit, I will say that AGP is a minor thing amongst cisgender men and that anyone who is sexually motivated to transition should note that transition meds will do a number on your sex drive so you won't feel motivated to continue as those of us who have a sex change are.

In 99% of cases 'AGP' and 'HSTS' is used as a homophobic trope i.e. that we can separate trans women on the basis that (a) they're oversexed or (b) they're perverted. It's all the same shit that has been levelled at LGBT people for a long time.

I can write essays on how bad Blanchard's stuff was (and is) but modern research has moved onto the neuropsychology of trans existence. I'd recommend this article as a starter and lit review:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6235900/

Well done for proving the OP’s point, though.

OP, accusing us of things that we don’t do or think is par for the course. You become immune to the attempts to do this once you realise it’s a cynical tactic to shame you and shut you up. It stops working once you see it for what it is.

Being gender critical is the opposite of being socially conservative. Gender critical feminism wants to abolish gender stereotypes, not reinforce them. Unlike trans activists, I don’t believe that not fitting a socially-constructed mould of masculinity makes someone a woman.

I think all visitors to this thread will realise the posters in here believe that nobody should be beaten up, if they are they should go to the police.
However, that does not change the fact biological reality exists and no male should go in female spaces.

Neither do I Zara. I tend to have to ensure my feet are firmly on the ground and pink/blue/gender non conforming unicorns aren't floating around my head.

No one should ever be assaulted which is why women need their own spaces and trans women need their own. Biological men never belong in womens safe spaces.

I'm not entirely sure where you've got the police bit from. If you've been a victim of crime of course you should go to the police. However (as seems to be the case with trans ideology) you are conflating two separate issues. Homophobia and transphobia are not ok. However, what is happening now in the name of trans rights and so-called transphobia is not the same as what happened with gay rights and homophobia. We (mostly women) are being gaslit into accepting and in extension validating a mans feelings of what he thinks a woman is. I would not go around saying I am a black woman and yet men who say they are (trans)women are doing so with increasing severity and violence. As a human being you are absolutely entitled to do as you wish, wear what you like, but this should never be at the cost of anothers freedom of speech or designated safe space.

I'm interested in your thoughts on this - why do you think transwomen are dominating the discussion and not transmen?

You should never be physically harmed. That’s beyond awful. And you should definitely go to the police.

But safeguarding for natal women should not be dismissed.

And how does it help you when women who do no violence but want to keep safe spaces for biological women and girls, for safeguarding, are given the same transphobic label as those being physically violent to you? How do you then identify those YOU need to be safeguarded from if we're all called transphobic?

And I can't help but wonder how many of the people who'd be kicking you were AMAB? Likelihood of more than 50%? That's why women and girls need safeguarding.

I remember the old trope "everything is homophobic" - turns out, they were right, but that old trope is being recycled for transphobia

What? I came out as a lesbian in 1989 and I don't remember people saying everything is homophobic and if they did no one was silenced to the degree that we are now.

Yes. The word ‘woke’ has been appropriated, and also the word ‘woman.’

I don’t believe a single person on here thinks you should be kicked, or harmed in any way. That’s a basic human right. Having single sex based spaces available is a woman’s right. That’s what we are protecting. They are two very different things.

Safeguarding is attacking me for being a trans woman? Who exactly are you safeguarding when you're kicking me in the face, telling me that I shouldn't go to the police?

The pain I get from being kicked for being perceived as a gay man are not the same as I get from being a trans woman? Are you suggesting that the latter is justified and I deserve it?

And the argument you’ve given is a lazy trope too.

Please don’t try to compare homophobia with safeguarding.

You can’t speak up without being called transphobic, so the only thing you can do is to speak up and not care if you’re called transphobic.

Just always remember that the list of things that carry the accusation of transphobia are perfectly normal, scientifically sound facts and ethically sound beliefs held by most people, including those who accuse you of transphobia.

@EvilBee No.I don't need to say it. I might not agree with you but that's better. More polite.

Thank you.

Boiled.

Everything is transphobic. It will only get worse as long as people are to scared to speak up. If standing up for women's rights makes me tranphobic then i'll wear that condemnation with pride.

Though if you want you could try to act like you don't know what is going on and ask questions. Making people think about what they are saying sometimes helps others peak.

I get sick of "woke" being bandied about, primarily by white people, as a way to either show off their virtue or slam others for wrongthink.

Like many things appropriated by the dominant class, woke was term created by Black people to be used by other Black peoples in the US to describe their unique situation of being conscious of the continued legacy of slavery. To be "awoke" to the reality that racism still exists.

Now it's been taken over by snotty young white kids while stamping their feet at women who say no. They don't like us because we remind them of their moms who are sick of putting up with their entitled bs.

In today's society, if you are "woke",
Your balance, in the "Bank of Conscience" is broke.
In today's society, if transphobe's your label
It means, to critical thunk, you are able.

Sorry, I'm on a roll tonight.