How do you speak up without being called transphobic

I’m ok with being called transphobic these days because I am so 100% confident that penis=man and chopped off penis=man. It doesn’t stop it being frustrating but people are generally quite intelligent and secretly agree, they just need reassuring that it’s ok to believe in facts and science and standing by your beliefs, even with a fully grown man shouting in your face and making threats.

Load of old nonsense. Accusing someone of being transphobic is often just a cheap trick.

Being kept out of spaces where women are vulnerable is not being kicked in the face. The transperbole is in part why people are waking up to this insidious nonsense. The constant shrieks of transphobia worked to silence the empathetic for a long time but now you are just peaking more of us with every word.

You are roughly the same age as me messy, and yes it does matter to me, my daughters and my grandchildren.
No male should go in female spaces.

I have undoubtedly been in the toilets/changing rooms with a TW but this same type of TW doesn't go around threatening violence. Gender ideology is more than the TWAW trope (again this tagline more prominent that TMAM - why is this do you think if it isn't a direct result of male entitlement?). Gender ideology is in our schools, it is interfering with normal and experimental child development. It is enticing kids to socially transition. It's bringing drag shows into family arenas. It is introducing kids from a very young age to a language they do not need to know about. It is about changing our actual language - the use of MAPs instead of pedophiles. It's about demanding access to Womens spaces and sports and if we dare to speak out we are transphobes/terfs. It is shitting down the science about this issue - grants have been lost, sex based charities have lost funding, lecturers lost jobs etc... For just wanting to research the issue. We know there's trends, but we can't utter them, because you know it's... This terminology is extremely vitriolic. It shuts people (mostly women) down. Women have lost jobs, promotions, been arrested, even targeted and attacked. This isn't a trans rights issue anymore but a male entitlement for some very angry and power hungry men.

Can I ask @Messyhair321 have you in real life came across a trans man in a women’s toilet that you believed was a man? To my knowledge I haven’t. I have encountered natal men trying to get in to Women’s toilets. It was incredibly obvious they were men. I’m not saying you can identify every trans man, but I do think your post refers to a bit of a flight of fancy hypothetical situation without any grounding in reality and as such I am not sure what if adds to the conversation

I am also an older woman who has lived for over 50 years Messyhair321 but I am still affected by male childhood abuse, and ending up in abusive relationships as an adult, and I have a trauma response to men I don't know/trust being close to me when I am in any way vulnerable. Despite years of therapy, this is a reaction that is wired into my body and it's lesson slightly in some situations but I can't imagine it's ever going to go away. So I don't think this is so much of an age thing as an experience thing.

Oh here we go, conflating opinions and violence…….

It's not transphobic here, there's people just defending womens rights and realising that trans rights are not womens rights. Funny how people want to shut down those discussions.
OP don't worry about being called transphobic, I don't.

@EvilBee this is incomprehensible. Try saying what you mean rather than slinging out 6th form ‘zingers’

@Messyhair321 the more I've seen of this issue the more I've seen there seems to be a dominant type of TW who I think do more damage to the trans community. It isn't about freedom of expression for them but about power and control.

@TodayInahurry

This actually worries me too. He's a coward.

I don't know about this. If someone looks like a man because that's how they present, would you be comfortable then if they used a woman's toilet? Even though they look exactly like a male but don't have a penis? I sometimes think people haven't thought this through. How would you even know?

I can't see it's really an issue for me as an older woman who has lived for over 50 years! I just think there are other things in the world to worry about. Yes I have heard what people think & say about this & rightly or wrongly that's what I think. No disrespect to anyone you are entitled to an opinion as I am.

If we keep quiet and We're told that no-one knew about the issues and if we raise our voices, We're told We're unladylike and crude.

More and more people are becoming aware of the insideous creep of gender ideology and what it actually means for single sex spaces and services. I've had at least 3 conversations in the past week with people who have said 'have you seen...'.

The conversations are going to get easier and easier, OP.

And yes, everything is transphobic - wingsoverscotland.com/everything-is-transphobic/

@Enterusername111333 it's really bloody hard to not being called a trabsphobe. Literally it feels the convo goes a little like this

TW - I am a TW
Sparkly - good for you
TW - I am therefore a woman and I am entitled to use all female spaces
Sparkly - but...
TW - TRANSPHOBE!!!

The truth is IME you can't have an actual discussion about it. Only recently was my ass hurled into a meeting questioning my GC beliefs because I spoke to someone about the CASS report and the implications for our profession. Before I knew it I was being accused of conversion therapy. I kid you not. I think for now, let the evidence mount, let politicians actually find there vulvas (courage) and make the necessary laws and policies (like Switzerland just did).

Any one worried about the trans take over of women’s spaces need to be aware that Starmer is in favour of introducing the Scottish Law into the UK, if Labour get into power. One reason I would never vote for them. We need to support JKR

@SallyLockheart i’m biting aren't I. You are right. I will try. Plus I know @GCAcademic is much better versed and eloquent in this topic.

can we just agree to ignore derailers?

OP - I'm afraid evil is utilizing a tactic that I have seen and experienced. They tend to bamboozle you with ‘facts’ and then accuse you of trabsphobia for not agreeing. This literally epitomises male privilege.

@EvilBee you cite a small percentage of AGPs? Where is this from exactly? One of the main issues with the gender ID law just passed in Scotland is that we don't know how many men will abuse the system. Data trying to state that there was no harm from those that have already imposed self ID routinely doesn't collate the data so we don't know.

The fact remains - men tend to perpetuate crime against women (and TW). Sex offenders and alike are also extremely manipulative and will do whatever they can to gain power and control. The problem we have is the overlap between these two. GC don't have an issue with people expressing themselves, but we do have objection to the most vocal amongst the trans(women) community demanding access, and if not threatening and committing violence, against women. It's a vicious circle, and ironic, because these very same people are exactly why we need sex-based protected spaces.

Again - I'm curious - why do you think TW dominate the trans discussion?

Good morning everyone! Rise and shine! Time for some more wildly unsubstantiated claims from Evil. My favourite from this morning so far: gender CRITICAL feminists are PRO gender norms because they despise gender non-conformity.

You're right, Evil. My husband looked after the baby yesterday afternoon, whilst I went and got the car lights sorted at Halfords. The self-loathing I've felt ever since has been paralysing. 😂

Jokes asides, I thought you knew it was best to not debate "cranks" on the internet? Why are you still bothering, out of interest?

Thank you. You’re doing very well at proving my point about bad-faith arguments.

Many gender critical women are gender non-conforming and have been for decades. We just don’t think this makes us the opposite sex.

And this is a U.K. site. I doubt most people on here have heard of Heritage, nor is there any religious right group in this country that many of us could name. We’re not indoctrinated by religion in this country, whether fundamentalist Christianity or secular religions like gender ideology. Please stop assuming that the U.K. is an outpost of the US, it smacks of cultural imperialism.

I do know that there are many physical trans attacks & agree actually that going back through history people were imprisoned, ridiculed, excluded & beaten for being gay. This is a matter of history & I see the same fear response with trans people.

Gay people were dangerous, diseased, mentally unwell, conversion therapy was indicated in some areas. This often included painful processes such was the shame of being gay.

Those that talk about coming out as gay in the 80's - this is nothing like what it was like a couple of decades before. Although I remember being at school in the 70's & 80's & literally no-one was gay, no-one would risk being a social outcast by admitting this.

OP, as equally meaningless as the “transphobic” accusation, is the “far right” accusation, seen above.

I just ignore it and don’t care. It’s been incredibly liberating. Accuse me of whatever you want, doesn’t change reality 🤣