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Woman mistaken for a man and challenged

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h2Oo · 29/12/2022 21:05

Okay, so I'd like some good old reasoning on this as I appreciate a lot of you are more insightful than me!

I believe men have 0 place in women's toilets, changing families or women only spaces.

But this tripped me up... what do I say to this? It popped up on twitter and I don't know what to argument would be

This woman was questioned because she looks too masculine. But she is indeed a biological woman through and through

www.itv.com/news/central/2022-12-26/cancer-survivor-challenged-at-public-toilets-after-being-mistaken-for-a-man

What is the answer? I just don't know

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Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 01:52

DdraigGoch · 30/12/2022 01:50

"Policing", "vigilante"...

What a load of ridiculous hyperbole used to refer to someone simply asking "are you sure that you're in the right place?"

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It’s not hyperbole.
Policing by Vigilantes = citizens taking the law in their own hands or acting contrary to the law.

That’s what is happening.

DdraigGoch · 30/12/2022 01:51

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 01:48

No harm done to you….you can’t speak for her.

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If she said "not to worry", I would take that as an indication that I should not worry.

DdraigGoch · 30/12/2022 01:50

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 01:48

But, where’s the evidence toilet policing by vigilante women actually prevents sexual assault?

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"Policing", "vigilante"...

What a load of ridiculous hyperbole used to refer to someone simply asking "are you sure that you're in the right place?"

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 01:50

DdraigGoch · 30/12/2022 01:47

I almost ended up on a Jury for a case where an attempted rape was only stopped because another woman entered the toilet and challenged him.

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Was this a transwoman? If not, how is it even relevant? I was assaulted by a man in the womens toilets….he didn’t need a skirt and wig to gain access.

ofwarren · 30/12/2022 01:49

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 01:48

But, where’s the evidence toilet policing by vigilante women actually prevents sexual assault?

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'Vigilante women' 🤣

LK1972 · 30/12/2022 01:49

@EvilBee Why are you popping up here, haven't you been all over FWR threads telling us you're a transwoman? Do you think you shouldn't be challenged in women's loos either?

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 01:48

ofwarren · 30/12/2022 01:48

I've challenged before, so yes.
The woman I challenged was instantly recognisable as a woman as soon as she spoke.
I apologised and she said it happens a lot and not to worry.
No harm done.

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No harm done to you….you can’t speak for her.

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 01:48

DdraigGoch · 30/12/2022 01:44

  1. Not all reported sex offences result in the conviction and incarceration.
  2. The MoJ doesn't keep comprehensive records of the reassignment status of those who are inside.
  3. Just because someone is GNC (maybe cuts her hair short and wears baggy clothes for example), it doesn't automatically follow that they aren't clearly female.
  4. Some GNC women on here have said that they have been challenged but accepted it as a minor inconvenience, and recognised that they were challenged because women are worried about their safety.
  5. One woman or child attacked is a woman or child too many.
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But, where’s the evidence toilet policing by vigilante women actually prevents sexual assault?

ofwarren · 30/12/2022 01:48

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 01:46

Taylor isn’t a male name, just ask Taylor Swift.
Besides, who wears their work name badge when visiting public toilets?

Would you still challenge if no name badge?

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I've challenged before, so yes.
The woman I challenged was instantly recognisable as a woman as soon as she spoke.
I apologised and she said it happens a lot and not to worry.
No harm done.

DdraigGoch · 30/12/2022 01:47

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 01:40

But where is the evidence this is actually preventing sexual assault?

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I almost ended up on a Jury for a case where an attempted rape was only stopped because another woman entered the toilet and challenged him.

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 01:46

ofwarren · 30/12/2022 01:43

If a very masculine presenting person who was wearing a name badge with a male name on and they/them pronouns was in the women's toilets, I would certainly ask them if they were in the right place.

Taylor isn’t a male name, just ask Taylor Swift.
Besides, who wears their work name badge when visiting public toilets?

Would you still challenge if no name badge?

Rainbowshit · 30/12/2022 01:45

Funny how the "I'm as GC as the next person" poster is struggling to see the image but no one else is. 🤔

DdraigGoch · 30/12/2022 01:44

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 01:37

But only 125 trans inmates (TW & TM & NB).

Yet millions of GNC women and girls….

The threat requiring such actions seems grossly overestimated.

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  1. Not all reported sex offences result in the conviction and incarceration.
  2. The MoJ doesn't keep comprehensive records of the reassignment status of those who are inside.
  3. Just because someone is GNC (maybe cuts her hair short and wears baggy clothes for example), it doesn't automatically follow that they aren't clearly female.
  4. Some GNC women on here have said that they have been challenged but accepted it as a minor inconvenience, and recognised that they were challenged because women are worried about their safety.
  5. One woman or child attacked is a woman or child too many.
WendelineTestaburger · 30/12/2022 01:44

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ofwarren · 30/12/2022 01:43

If a very masculine presenting person who was wearing a name badge with a male name on and they/them pronouns was in the women's toilets, I would certainly ask them if they were in the right place.

LK1972 · 30/12/2022 01:42

Here you go @Onnabugeisha, another source with unblurred photo https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/tiffany-i-called-timothy-because-7896634?intsource=amppcontinuereading&inttmedium=amp&intcampaign=continueereadingbutton#amp-readmore-target

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Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 01:41

DdraigGoch · 30/12/2022 01:31

So it's a figment of their imagination too.

Here's a direct link to the Leicester Mercury image, for the benefit of the technologically illiterate (or just plain obtuse):

i2-prod.leicestermercury.co.uk/incoming/article7890748.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200c/1_006TiffanyJPG.jpg

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Thanks! I see it now. So strange.

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 01:40

DdraigGoch · 30/12/2022 01:38

You'd like to think so, wouldn't you? Apparently not in this topsy-turvy world we live in.

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But where is the evidence this is actually preventing sexual assault?

ofwarren · 30/12/2022 01:40

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 01:39

No, because the limit is 6MBs and for some reason these screenshots are 8.8MBs. Here’s the bottom half of the original screen shot.

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A direct link to the photo has been shared.

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 01:39

ofwarren · 30/12/2022 01:36

Because none of those are the Leicester Mercury.
Don't worry, some lovely person has shared the direct link to the image which I didn't know how to do.

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No, because the limit is 6MBs and for some reason these screenshots are 8.8MBs. Here’s the bottom half of the original screen shot.

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DdraigGoch · 30/12/2022 01:38

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You'd like to think so, wouldn't you? Apparently not in this topsy-turvy world we live in.

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 01:37

DdraigGoch · 30/12/2022 01:25

So that makes two people.

Meanwhile 194,683 sex offences were reported to the police in just one year (and we all know just how much goes unreported).

Which should I be more concerned about? The risk that someone mistakenly questions an actual woman, resulting in a few hurt feelings; or the risk that no one dares challenge a Katie Dolatowski and someone gets raped?

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But only 125 trans inmates (TW & TM & NB).

Yet millions of GNC women and girls….

The threat requiring such actions seems grossly overestimated.

ofwarren · 30/12/2022 01:36

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 01:35

Had to crop off bottom half…but I don’t get what you get.

Because none of those are the Leicester Mercury.
Don't worry, some lovely person has shared the direct link to the image which I didn't know how to do.

WendelineTestaburger · 30/12/2022 01:36

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