Woman mistaken for a man and challenged

I haven’t come across this case but in general if you choose to present in a gender non conforming way, you will get the occasional sideways glance or comment. Most people don’t mean any harm by it, usually they are just curious.

I used to have a butch style and a muscular build, my breasts looked more like men’s pecs due to the amount of weight training I did at the time. One day I was questioned by another woman at in a sports centre changing room, with her teen daughters. She asked me, are you in the right place. When I replied it was clear from my voice that I was a woman, she was mortified and apologised profusely. It it was a little awkward but ok, we had a bit of a laugh about it, and whenever I saw her again, which was fairly often, she smiled and said hello.

@Onnabugeisha 'Most of them say they keep their head down and have a secret chuckle about the TW thinking they are passing when they aren’t.' - maybe, in the past, before some men decided they are entitled to our spaces.

Not so much now I guess, nicely confirmed by Tiffany stating that sometimes women 'get members of staff to question why I'm there'

Women are adult human females, always were, always will be. Your fake tits don't make you one
That doesn't stop those of us with non existent looking tits, or short hair and not "feminine looking" enough from being challenged though does it?!
Shit happens apparently.

Im really baffled to be honest. It makes no sense.

It speaks volumes you can’t even provide one single example from the U.K. though. One TW booted out of the woman’s toilets. Not even one.

Not even one sexual assault by a TW being prevented either by women policing the toilets. Not one.

Yet we are being told the threat from TW is so great, that we must challenge what almost always turns out to be a GNC woman,

At some point you have to ask, is this cost worth it if it’s literally for nothing?

Yes, it'll always be n+1.

As I recall, Katie D was challenged when trying to force a child to undress. It's rather a shame that one of 'her' companions (I think that there was a support worker with 'her') didn't say "no, you can't go in there" beforehand. Then that 10 year old might have been spared.

Women are adult human females, always were, always will be. Your fake tits don't make you one. Your 'feelings' don't make you one. Really confused about the arse bit, is yours extra feminine in some special way?

Anyone got the instagram link to the Chinese woman who was re-educated like a week or two ago for this particular sin against a transwoman?

And it sounds like give me an example has turned into give me many and anyway anything you provide will never be enough.

So what reason do YOU think the newspaper obscured her badge?
Why are they calling her 'she' when her badge clearly says 'they/them'?

😕 lol at the I'm rubber, you're glue type response 😁
I just meant so what if the poster has been on other threads? They're allowed to be on this one too, that's completely irrelevant?
Just like if they're a trans woman too like you say.
There's no law saying trans people can't comment 😕

Weird..I've had a GC say the same thing as me. Could you reinstate what is acceptable for you again?

It didn’t change..it became a closed topic and we moved on.

Not really. Most of them say they keep their head down and have a secret chuckle about the TW thinking they are passing when they aren’t.

@RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella Well, the name is familiar to me, so who says you should be deciding what is and isn't called for? Sorry, did I miss the memo that it's in fact you who is the MN police?

I'm not taking anything personally.
It's just very interesting how the conversation changed when you were proven wrong.

Why are you taking it personally?

So, that’s 2 globally now, 2 out of 8 billion.

How big is this threat again?

@EvilBee

I'm not being silly - please see attached where Stock said what she did and 'male people' i.e. what normal people call transsexual women, have used women's facilities for a long time. Do you think that Caroline Cossey was using the men's loos in the 70's and 80's?

You are being silly, or at least disingenous.

Firstly, the social contract pre-exists trans women using women's spaces. Which is obvious when you think about it, because if it didn't those spaces would not have existed for trans women to use.

Secondly, as I think I have already explained to you on another thread, the fact that consent may have been given, or at least not strongly protested, to the small number of physically transitioned trans women who started to use some female spaces in the later twentieth century does not mean that consent cannot be revoked today, when the impact of that is better understood, the number of trans women has greatly increased, the expectation of physical transition has gone, and the construction of trans identity has changed from a polite courtesy extended to accomodate someone "as" the opposite sex to an insistence they "are" the opposite sex and should gain all that sex's rights and resources as an absolute right regardless of their own behaviour.

By happy coincidence, I was around in the 70s and 80s, and a GNC child to boot. Yes, from time to time someone might say "son, that's the ladies" and I or my mum would say "I am a girl" and that was all. No one thought I was deliberately trying to be somewhere I should not be. I didn't like it happening because I was a bit bullied at school for not being appropriately girly, which is probably one of the reasons I've grown up gender critical and feminist, but I didn't feel personally attacked or shamed by it. If GNC people today are finding they are challenged more aggressively now than I was back then, I think we have to recognise that is the result of the creeping encroachment of male people into female resources that has happened since then.

So have we stopped talking about Tiffany now you've been proven wrong?
Any apologies for saying that gender criticals had doctored the photo?

So there we have it. The difference between a man and a transwoman is some silicone.

@Onnabugeisha 'the physically intimidating types don’t get challenged.' - yes, that's when women get staff involved, when they are intimidated, is that clear to you now?

That's uncalled for. I'm not familiar with evilbee as don't really recognise the name, but they have every right to post on here just like the rest of us
Who made you the Mumsnet Police?

One. In a country of 380 million.

@Onnabugeisha
If it’s clear, why can’t you zoom and then screen shot? Is it because just like for me, it’s still blurred when you zoom in? As I said, Twitter lifted the photo from the news and then added text & images to the blurred badge.

It doesn’t even make sense what they added. Her name is Tiffany. She uses she/her per all the articles and Facebook. There’s no way if she were Taylor and had changed her pronouns to they/them that every news outlet would have called her by a dead name and misgendered her.

It's obviously been blurred out because the media and TRA have an agenda. They don't like the truth, and need to resort to lies, no debate, or abusive threats.

The image is much clearer here. Original image:: Leicester Mercury / Chris Gordon
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/tiffany-i-called-timothy-because-7896634

I'm not going to stop making sure it's not a man going into the toilet behind my child in case someone gets upset.
I'm 43 and this situation has happened just once.