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ArabellaScott · 2022-12-27T21:47:08+00:00

'Repeal the GRA' petition, screenshot of current map:

sixfeetabove · 28/12/2022 19:02

Signed.

Whereareyourshoes · 28/12/2022 18:50

HopRockers · 28/12/2022 18:44

Found the swimming pool one here
www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4622036-petition-to-maintain-single-sex-spaces-at-swimming-venues

(& got the duplicate signature email to prove it 😆)

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Thank you - I had missed this one.

Signed now!

HopRockers · 28/12/2022 18:44

ArabellaScott · 28/12/2022 18:21

There is one asking for single sex swimming pool changing rooms. And one asking for the GRA to be 'reviewed' in terms of how it interacts with the EA.

Found the swimming pool one here
www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4622036-petition-to-maintain-single-sex-spaces-at-swimming-venues

(& got the duplicate signature email to prove it 😆)

Skyellaskerry · 28/12/2022 18:29

I bet Nicola wishes this map indicated support for Indy!

Boiledbeetle · 28/12/2022 18:24

It's sad that there are so many holes that need plugging that I'm losing track I go to sign one and it tells me I've already done it, but I've probably missed ones.

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ArabellaScott · 28/12/2022 18:21

There is one asking for single sex swimming pool changing rooms. And one asking for the GRA to be 'reviewed' in terms of how it interacts with the EA.

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HopRockers · 28/12/2022 18:15

Bookworm333 · 28/12/2022 18:09

I've signed. Signed something else the other day also, which I think is the 2nd petition this thread talks about. Is it just the 2 petitions going or anything else I've missed?

Equality Act, Repeal GRA - have you missed the RSE content one?

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4585082-rse-content-on-gender-vs-sex?page=5&reply=122477968

Bookworm333 · 28/12/2022 18:09

I've signed. Signed something else the other day also, which I think is the 2nd petition this thread talks about. Is it just the 2 petitions going or anything else I've missed?

HopRockers · 28/12/2022 18:05

I'm always interested to know why it's just sex that people think they should have the right to change on all their official documents - why not age or nationality on a person's say so. Arguably both these things are far far less binary than sex.

I assume it's because these things would have real world implications for the important humans as well as you know actual women.

Waitwhat23 · 28/12/2022 18:00

Should read 'legal fiction to be repealed'

Waitwhat23 · 28/12/2022 17:59

EvilBee · 28/12/2022 17:35

Stating the obvious, Arabella, but you do realise that when you say things like 'repeal the GRA' and threaten rights under article 8, you make it very easy for trans people to just point and say "these people are literally lobbying to remove our rights"?

Same with those who want to get rid of 'gender reassignment' in the EA - you're literally saying "I want to remove the long-held rights of a minority" and evidencing it for them.

However many likes and retweets you can muster on Twitter, in actual reality, this is not a winning strategy. One person I know has listed an absolute ton of times when gender critical activists have stated these exact things and it looks absolutely terrible.

Stonewall and other lobbying organisations are lobbying to remove the single sex exemptions from the EQA2010, despite the continuous claims by TRA's that they aren't fighting to remove rights pertaining to single sex services and spaces (and 'rights aren't a pie' yadda yadda yadda)

womansplaceuk.org/2018/06/25/references-to-removal-of-single-sex-exemptions/

That and the Scottish Government rejecting amendments to restrict the right for sex offenders to get a GRA is absolutely terrible.

Women asking for sex to be clarified as, you know, actual sex and not some nebulous idea of gender or asking for a law which in effect allows for a ridiculous legal fiction, or asking for a clarification of what the term gender reassignment encompasses is not terrible, however much TRA's dislike it.

EndlessTea · 28/12/2022 17:54

I think ‘gender reassignment’ should be removed because ‘gender’ and ‘reassignment’ don’t have a fixed meaning. Any discrimination based on gender non-conformity is already covered by the protected characteristics of sex and sexual orientation.

Whereareyourshoes · 28/12/2022 17:48

I don’t want to remove gender reassignment from the Equality Act but I would like a debate in Parliament about repeal of the GRA and I would like the Equality Act clarified to make clear the characteristic “sex” is biological sex. Wouldn’t that be wonderful if we could have protection for both trans people and also for the group formerly known as women who suffer from oppression due to their sex.

And as for looking terrible, not sure there’s much worse than our MSPs giving easier access to rapists to change the sex on their birth certificates.

Melroses · 28/12/2022 17:47

Rights are contained within the Equality Act so no one will lose any rights.

Boiledbeetle · 28/12/2022 17:45

OK it's really pissing me off...does anyone know anyone in Middlesbrough. They are a blob of grey currently bringing down the good name of North East England.

@Buzzinwithbez excellent.

EndlessTea · 28/12/2022 17:42

It is absurd that a group of people successfully lobbied to falsify their identity documents - including their birth certificate. Of course this lapse in good sense should be repealed.

Boiledbeetle · 28/12/2022 17:42

Ah evening again @EvilBee plying your trade in here i see

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ArabellaScott · 28/12/2022 17:38

So what? We've heard you all say how awful, terrible, and appalling we all are, for politely suggesting that women have rights protected in law.

Frankly, nobody cares about your empty threats anymore.

Bad law can be reviewed, and where necessary, repealed.

Nobody is saying anything wrong by suggesting that a law is badly worded and needs to be reviewed.

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EvilBee · 28/12/2022 17:35

Stating the obvious, Arabella, but you do realise that when you say things like 'repeal the GRA' and threaten rights under article 8, you make it very easy for trans people to just point and say "these people are literally lobbying to remove our rights"?

Same with those who want to get rid of 'gender reassignment' in the EA - you're literally saying "I want to remove the long-held rights of a minority" and evidencing it for them.

However many likes and retweets you can muster on Twitter, in actual reality, this is not a winning strategy. One person I know has listed an absolute ton of times when gender critical activists have stated these exact things and it looks absolutely terrible.

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ArabellaScott · 28/12/2022 17:26

Fantastic, Buzzinwithbez.

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Buzzinwithbez · 28/12/2022 17:23

Boiledbeetle · 27/12/2022 22:50

So there's at least one pissed off person in nearly every voting constituency in the whole country.

With some trepidation I mentioned this in a group. The majority were prepared to sign and thanked me for bringing it to their attention as they weren't aware of it. Not pissed off, just understand the concern. I'm sure they'll get more pissed off the more they consider it, now they're aware.

Whereareyourshoes · 28/12/2022 15:11

7,605 signatures. Wonder if we could get it to 10,000 by the New Year?

nilsmousehammer · 28/12/2022 13:14

Delighted to see how many are coming from my county. Wish there was a local action group. Vive la resistance.

FrancescaContini · 28/12/2022 10:58

Signed. Thank you 😊

AnyRandomName · 28/12/2022 10:16

Signed