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ArabellaScott · 2022-12-27T21:47:08+00:00

'Repeal the GRA' petition, screenshot of current map:

Cherryblossoms85 · 29/12/2022 13:30

@ArabellaScott I was just looking at the summary which mentioned the ECHR judgement as giving rise to the GRA because the legislation before the GRA breached article 8, respect for private life, and article 12, right to marry. So even though as others have pointed out gay marriage legislation removes the breach of article 12, what about article 8? I dont think the 2004 legislation is the issue. It's the non application of it - transferring male prisoners to female prisons seemingly on their say so. It all makes me so angry, the idiocy.

Boiledbeetle · 29/12/2022 13:27

Drum roll we have an update

So the hold outs are:

West Tyrone
Tamworth
Leicester East
Harrow East
Ilford South
Middlesbrough

Yay

I think we've located the angriest women on Te*f Island.

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ArabellaScott · 29/12/2022 13:14

Cherryblossoms85 · 29/12/2022 11:34

@Helleofabore not really, because the TRAs can and will successfully twist the narrative. Need to focus on the bullshit that's happening now. The GRA even says "transsexual people" which these days sounds quaint! I think repealing the act sounds as if it would also mean exiting the ECHR, which I don't think anyone who isn't very right wing thinks is a good idea. I'm no expert though, I just think it's better to focus on the current issue.

It really doesn't matter much what trans activists or genderists say. That's not who we are trying to engage with or communicate with. There is absolutely no point in trying to reason with someone who is incapable of engaged, good faith discussion.

If you could explain how the GRA is part of the ECHR, I'd appreciate it.

(Apologies if my tone is too shrill, it's these damn womanly vocal chords. I'm trying for my Nice Voice but sometimes it just comes out all wrong.)

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Melroses · 29/12/2022 13:06

HairyLeggedHarpy is always worth reading and re-reading

Whereareyourshoes · 29/12/2022 12:46

It’s been a while since I’d read this thread from HairyLeggdHarpy on some of the issues with the GRA but it’s worth another read:

twitter.com/HairyLeggdHarpy/status/1049289194370002945?s=20

nilsmousehammer · 29/12/2022 12:31

Whereareyourshoes · 29/12/2022 10:22

For a while Layla Moran’s constituency was one of the darker ones too. I wonder if she still sees gendered souls?

She does. They're everywhere. They don't know they're gendered. And when they get angry, maps turn really red.

ILikeTrueCrime · 29/12/2022 12:28

Signed, hope this stays 'trending'.

Helleofabore · 29/12/2022 12:23

Shrill? What a delight to see on a feminism thread.

Whereareyourshoes · 29/12/2022 12:15

I think it’s good to question things. Who knows what the right thing to do is? Women have asked nicely. Have tried to have meetings which have been targeted by masked trans activists. Been ignored by politicians. Had nasty slurs, death threats and rape threats directed at them. But we still want to have the conversation.

So if anyone else would also like our Parliament to have a conversation about this, please sign ⬇️

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4688427-repeal-the-gra?page=1

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 29/12/2022 12:05

"shrill"

okey doke

Cherryblossoms85 · 29/12/2022 11:58

Not sure what's with the shrill tone here. I'm merely voicing my opinion, didn't say it was perfectly informed or "right". It was my reaction to a petition I have signed anyway.

Helleofabore · 29/12/2022 11:56

Fair enough. I think the discussion most definitely needs to be had and this petition goes hand in hand with the “Update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic “sex” is biological sex” petition.

If the GRC is providing a loophole, then it at least needs absolute clarification in the process in how an organisation can enforce the exclusion of any male with or without a GRC.

Thelnebriati · 29/12/2022 11:55

@Cherryblossoms85 What evidence do you have for your claim that repealing the GRA means exiting the ECHR?
www.coe.int/en/web/compass/european-convention-on-human-rights

The GRA was only needed while gay marriage was illegal, and was introduced instead of legalising gay marriage. It creates a legal fiction that undermines safeguarding and women's rights. Times have moved on and we no longer demonise gay people.

Cherryblossoms85 · 29/12/2022 11:34

@Helleofabore not really, because the TRAs can and will successfully twist the narrative. Need to focus on the bullshit that's happening now. The GRA even says "transsexual people" which these days sounds quaint! I think repealing the act sounds as if it would also mean exiting the ECHR, which I don't think anyone who isn't very right wing thinks is a good idea. I'm no expert though, I just think it's better to focus on the current issue.

Helleofabore · 29/12/2022 11:24

Cherryblossoms85 · 29/12/2022 11:01

I really don't think this is a good idea. There is no issue with the 2004 act, there is an issue with the recent Scottish legislation.

You don’t think there is an issue when the wording of any Act or law can be twisted to allow the travesty that is the GRR?

If the only thing this petition does is force a discussion in parliament that is then reported on and even more people understand the ramifications of this purposes changes, and the that a nation’s government is fully prepared to ignore their constituents on this issue, you don’t think that is a good start?

Whereareyourshoes · 29/12/2022 11:22

Cherryblossoms85 · 29/12/2022 11:01

I really don't think this is a good idea. There is no issue with the 2004 act, there is an issue with the recent Scottish legislation.

That’s ok. We’re allowed to disagree. That’s why a debate in parliament would be a good thing.

There were always plenty of issues with the 2004 Act, many of which were highlighted during parliamentary discussions at the time.

But the biggest issue is the legal fiction it created that a male person can become a female person and a female person can become a male person.

So many people tying themselves in knots all down to that single lie.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 29/12/2022 11:07

Cherryblossoms85 · 29/12/2022 11:01

I really don't think this is a good idea. There is no issue with the 2004 act, there is an issue with the recent Scottish legislation.

you don't think there's a problem with a law that is massively sexist? At the very least it needs to be rewritten so female aristos can inherit by getting their 'man' certificate, surely?

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ArabellaScott · 29/12/2022 11:04

no difference between 'sex' and 'gender' in law, I mean. This was confirmed at the recent judicial review and the Scottish Government have asserted it before, too.

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ArabellaScott · 29/12/2022 11:03

Apart from the fact that there is no difference between 'sex' and 'gender'? And no clear definition of the latter?

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Cherryblossoms85 · 29/12/2022 11:01

I really don't think this is a good idea. There is no issue with the 2004 act, there is an issue with the recent Scottish legislation.

Boiledbeetle · 29/12/2022 11:00

On top of what Arabella said I think I'm at the point where I give no fucks.

Although i have no job they could hound me out of which might make the difference

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ArabellaScott · 29/12/2022 10:57

Sometimes, a bit. It would be an illegal hack, though.

petition.parliament.uk/privacy

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cyclepathic · 29/12/2022 10:52

Anyone else feel a bit of unease signing these petitions lest full names and postcodes end up hacked by TRAs and spread far and wide? Especially when you have a unique forename and surname and a postcode with about 6 houses in it (as I do).

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ArabellaScott · 29/12/2022 10:43

Layla Moran was charged with assault of her partner in 2019:

www.markpack.org.uk/158076/layla-moran-glasgow-conference/

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ArabellaScott · 29/12/2022 10:41

Sorry, missing the preceding question, which is needed for context:

David T. C. Davies:

‘I hear what the hon. Lady is saying. May I bluntly ask her whether she would be happy sharing a changing room with somebody who was born male and had a male body?’

Layla Moran:

‘I believe that women are women, so if that person was a trans woman, I absolutely would. I just do not see the issue. As for whether they have a beard, which was one of the hon. Gentleman’s earlier comments, I dare say that some women have beards. There are all sorts of reasons why our bodies react differently to hormones. There are many forms of the human body. I see someone in their soul and as a person. I do not really care whether they have a male body.’

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