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Christmas lecture Sue Black

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missingthewinchesterboys · 26/12/2022 20:39

Loving Sue Black's Christmas lecture teaching kids that sex runs right through to your bones! There is no hiding if your male or female when your looking at bones!

Dd just said she must be a Hate the gender nonsense mum.

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WandaWomblesaurus · 27/12/2022 10:13

Maybe no controversy because the types that cause the controversy don't watch science lectures.

Lockheart · 27/12/2022 08:32

BringOnAutumn · 26/12/2022 21:44

Isn’t is sad that the lecture could be considered in any way controversial. What is happening nowadays?

As far as I can tell it hasn't caused any controversy, it was just a good lecture.

InfluenzalA · 27/12/2022 07:47

This was great, thank you.

V clear discussions of biological sex differences and their reasons and implications, including several mentions of the considerable differences in muscle mass and strength. And v clear that skeletons can be accurately sexed based on several factors.

WarriorN · 27/12/2022 07:44

Ooh fab, both ds will love this.

DanFmDorking · 27/12/2022 00:45

The program is being repeated very early this morning
02:45 - Tuesday 27th - BBC 4
Details here.

hopeisathingwithfeathersx · 27/12/2022 00:29

BoreOfWhabylon · 26/12/2022 21:04

Oh, she's a marvellous woman! Just read this about her on Wikipedia
Black has been an innovator in developing techniques and building databases to confirm or disconfirm someone's identify based on photographs of their hands or arms. This technique has become important for the prosecution of paedophiles, who often take and share photographs of their actions. In 2009, Black used vein pattern analysis to confirm the identify of a suspected child abuser, who then pled guilty. It was the first time that the technique was used in a criminal conviction.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sue_Black,_Baroness_Black_of_Strome

Wow, that is amazing. What a woman.

Hawkins001 · 27/12/2022 00:09

Boiledbeetle · 26/12/2022 23:20

Gonna admit my head is pounding I'm off to bed, but I'd clicked on this thread and it looks interesting and if I don't write something I'll forget to go and watch it by tomorrow.

Night night x

Sweet dreams, hope you have a good zzzzzz

EsmaCannonball · 26/12/2022 23:54

I find Sue Black's work fascinating. I'm reminded of the Red Lady of Paviland, assumed to be a lady because of cultural gender rules but proved by science to be a man. He's the perfect example of how arrogant and wrongheaded it is to assume that contemporary western notions of gender are in fact universal, innate differences between men and women.

Melroses · 26/12/2022 23:21

BoreOfWhabylon · 26/12/2022 21:15

I remember she was on Desert Island Discs a few years back. I'm going to give it another listen

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06j0wf3

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03w03bb
She was on Life Scientific a few years ago - one of my favourite programmes.

Boiledbeetle · 26/12/2022 23:20

Gonna admit my head is pounding I'm off to bed, but I'd clicked on this thread and it looks interesting and if I don't write something I'll forget to go and watch it by tomorrow.

Night night x

Hawkins001 · 26/12/2022 23:16

Does this mean it will alter the perspectives of identifying as whatever you want even non binary ect ?

Datdamndamp · 26/12/2022 23:14

HermioneWeasley · 26/12/2022 20:56

That’s interesting, in a Sunday times interview she seemed to be saying it’s a spectrum and can be difficult to sex a body

Not sure of the context, if it was archaeological, it's true it can be difficult to sex some bodies from the size and shape of the bones. That of course doesn't mean they didn't have a sex, were transgender or were intersex 😀

TheBiologyStupid · 26/12/2022 23:07

Archived copy to avoid PN getting the clicks: archive.ph/xC4GP

PriamFarrl · 26/12/2022 23:03

I’d not heard of her before. I’ll look into watching this and reading her books.

TheBiologyStupid · 26/12/2022 23:00

missingthewinchesterboys · 26/12/2022 20:39

Loving Sue Black's Christmas lecture teaching kids that sex runs right through to your bones! There is no hiding if your male or female when your looking at bones!

Dd just said she must be a Hate the gender nonsense mum.

Determining the sex of skeletons is "transphobic" since you don't know how the person "identified" in life, apparently. FFS! Still, everything is allegedly transphobic, so why should archaeology be any different...

MrsJackRackham · 26/12/2022 22:44

She's on a fabulous programme called History Cold Case, solving skeleton deaths. The case team is all women. You can watch it on YouTube. I emailed her about it and she replied. <fan girl>
I was listening to her Desert Island Discs when driving and had to pull over as she spoke so eloquently and movingly about people donating their body to science.
Fucking amazing woman. and she's Scottish

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 26/12/2022 22:32

LaughingPriest · 26/12/2022 22:17

In 2009, Black used vein pattern analysis to confirm the identify of a suspected child abuser, who then pled guilty. It was the first time that the technique was used in a criminal conviction.

That's amazing!

In Written In Bone she describes doing the same with a pattern of moles and freckles to convict a man of sexual assault on a child. She does amazing work.

LaughingPriest · 26/12/2022 22:17

In 2009, Black used vein pattern analysis to confirm the identify of a suspected child abuser, who then pled guilty. It was the first time that the technique was used in a criminal conviction.

That's amazing!

BringOnAutumn · 26/12/2022 21:44

Isn’t is sad that the lecture could be considered in any way controversial. What is happening nowadays?

Gassylady · 26/12/2022 21:20

She really explained it clearly in the context of hormones at puberty. I recommend her book “All that remains” includes details of her work in the Balkans amongst other musings on life and death.

CaveMum · 26/12/2022 21:17

Fab thanks @missingthewinchesterboys, I shall catch up on iPlayer.

BoreOfWhabylon · 26/12/2022 21:15

I remember she was on Desert Island Discs a few years back. I'm going to give it another listen

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06j0wf3

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missingthewinchesterboys · 26/12/2022 21:12

She's my child's hero- want to be a Forensic Anthropologists and has read her books.

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IntentionalError · 26/12/2022 21:07

We just watched it and were saying exactly the same thing. Turns out there are fundamental biological & physiological differences between men & women. Who knew?
I’m sure the BBC will still get loads of complaints… 🙄

BoreOfWhabylon · 26/12/2022 21:04

Oh, she's a marvellous woman! Just read this about her on Wikipedia
Black has been an innovator in developing techniques and building databases to confirm or disconfirm someone's identify based on photographs of their hands or arms. This technique has become important for the prosecution of paedophiles, who often take and share photographs of their actions. In 2009, Black used vein pattern analysis to confirm the identify of a suspected child abuser, who then pled guilty. It was the first time that the technique was used in a criminal conviction.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sue_Black,_Baroness_Black_of_Strome