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AnnaTortoiseshell · 23/12/2022 12:00

We all identified as trans women?

I often think this, and would be really interested to hear views of the FWR women.

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MsRosley · 27/12/2022 10:05

Men go on loving their own dicks, the symbol of their power. Women go on hating their own bodies, the magnet for abuse. It’s almost as if they weren’t changing sex at all.

Amen

MsRosley · 27/12/2022 10:04

If I lived in Scotland, I'd definitely do this. It'll be pretty cool being a member of an oppressed minority (as opposed to oppressed majority) and get to have lots of attention and days of remembrance and stuff.

Wellies54 · 26/12/2022 21:16

Rule 5: If a man says he is a woman he can flash any body part or chuck any bodily fluid he likes and he is stunning and brave. If a woman stands up for her womanhood by flashing a bit of fur sewn to some tights it's a criminal offence.

Wellies54 · 26/12/2022 21:07

@Signalbox Oh my goodness! What a clunky gear change mid article to make sure no one feels excluded by female biology! And clearly no sense of irony at the way women's pain is not taken seriously.
Rule 4: never mention a female health problem without acknowledging the terrible suffering of trans people.

nepeta · 26/12/2022 20:53

Signalbox · 26/12/2022 19:10

I am now collecting examples where in one sentence the woman is erased as a female person while the man is not erased as a male person.

Have you seen this article nepeta it's a classic...

www.theguardian.com/books/2020/sep/15/the-idea-of-too-much-information-is-bad-for-our-health-its-time-we-ditched-it?CMP=share_btn_tw

No, I had not. Thanks so much for that one, @Signalbox . It's a stunner, and now has a central place in my files.

Ofcourseshecan · 26/12/2022 20:46

Wellies54 · 26/12/2022 18:49

@Boiledbeetle @nepeta Yes, I agree. A list is starting to form in my head of the rules of gender ideology and how this relates to men and women. I have a feeling that another rule is that a woman can have a penis but a man cannot have breasts judging by the numbers of young women being mutilated.

a woman can have a penis but a man cannot have breasts judging by the numbers of young women being mutilated.

Really good point, @Wellies54. Men go on loving their own dicks, the symbol of their power. Women go on hating their own bodies, the magnet for abuse. It’s almost as if they weren’t changing sex at all.

limitededitionbarbie · 26/12/2022 19:33

@DadJoke

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In order to get a GRC, you need to transition, that is, be transgender. I suspect what they are proposing is a criminal offense, when all it does is put male on your birth certificate and exclude you from women's spaces. The idea of a bunch of gender critical people lying on a statutory declaration to prove, well, what exactly? and ending up in prison is genuinely hilarious."

As opposed to Karen white? Pity he wasn't excluded from female space eh? He should never have been allowed in a women's prison. Vile. These are the types of scenarios we are all worried about. How can you tell who is genuine and who isn't?

limitededitionbarbie · 26/12/2022 19:25

cosmiccosmos · 23/12/2022 12:04

I have often said on this board that we should all just start identifying as men. If enough people did it then it would really mess up figures/data very quickly.

Most men don't seem to be bothered about this because it doesn't affect them directly, maybe if it did they might sit up and pay attention.

I agree and then I think of we all Did it would it make a difference because we'd (women) still be treated exactly the same.

I dont know what the answer is.

Signalbox · 26/12/2022 19:10

I am now collecting examples where in one sentence the woman is erased as a female person while the man is not erased as a male person.

Have you seen this article nepeta it's a classic...

www.theguardian.com/books/2020/sep/15/the-idea-of-too-much-information-is-bad-for-our-health-its-time-we-ditched-it?CMP=share_btn_tw

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Wellies54 · 26/12/2022 18:49

@Boiledbeetle @nepeta Yes, I agree. A list is starting to form in my head of the rules of gender ideology and how this relates to men and women. I have a feeling that another rule is that a woman can have a penis but a man cannot have breasts judging by the numbers of young women being mutilated.

nepeta · 26/12/2022 18:49

I understand that non-binary is not included yet, but when it is I am going to identify as genderfluid.

I can then change gender on a daily (or hourly) basis based on which alternative might be of the greatest benefit (man on pay days, of course), and all others must remember my various names and pronouns not to misgender or deadname me.

pieceofpasta · 26/12/2022 18:44

I agree that we need to take it to the extremes and all apply to be men. It needs to get really really silly. The men won't stand for it.

nepeta · 26/12/2022 18:40

Boiledbeetle · 26/12/2022 18:33

Sorry Wellies but you missed a bit...

First rule of gender ideology - no man must ever be disadvantaged, even if it kills you. Or he does.

Also visible how the so-called inclusive (erasing) language is only applied to the female sex. I am now collecting examples where in one sentence the woman is erased as a female person while the man is not erased as a male person. So far I have three of those, all from the last six months. And of course all those examples where the NHS erases 'woman' in female cancers but keeps 'man' in male cancers.

The male sex, overall, is losing nothing, while all negative consequences of this ideology fall on the female sex.

Boiledbeetle · 26/12/2022 18:33

Wellies54 · 26/12/2022 15:56

First rule of gender ideology - no man must ever be disadvantaged.

Inheritance, avoidance of the draft in America, mixed rowing teams. There are a few examples of where men would have been disadvantaged but strangely, biological sex is deemed to exist and no one seems to mind.

Sorry Wellies but you missed a bit...

First rule of gender ideology - no man must ever be disadvantaged, even if it kills you. Or he does.

Wellies54 · 26/12/2022 15:56

quantumbutterfly · 26/12/2022 14:40

Could it help first born daughters to inherit their father's titles?

First rule of gender ideology - no man must ever be disadvantaged.

Inheritance, avoidance of the draft in America, mixed rowing teams. There are a few examples of where men would have been disadvantaged but strangely, biological sex is deemed to exist and no one seems to mind.

Signalbox · 26/12/2022 15:03

quantumbutterfly · 26/12/2022 14:40

Could it help first born daughters to inherit their father's titles?

This is one of the exceptions within the GRA isn’t it? So presumably not. Having said that so is women’s sports and everyone ignores that.

quantumbutterfly · 26/12/2022 14:40

Could it help first born daughters to inherit their father's titles?

Wellies54 · 26/12/2022 13:53

So, to begin the process of transition, you start lying about your sex. If you continue lying about your sex for 3 months you can get a certificate which says you commit to lying about your sex for the rest of your life. You don't legally have to change anything; your name, your body, your clothes, job, hobbies, personality, your partner. As far as I can tell, it is simply a license to be dishonest. And what exactly is gained by this? It changes absolutely nothing about reality. I worry that this GRC legislation in Scotland is a test to see how easily law makers can be manipulated into redefining 'truth' and 'fact'.

Boiledbeetle · 26/12/2022 12:56

And when they ask you why you've pulled out at the last minute 35 times it's because it's a big decision the penalty for it being fraudulent is massive! And so you really really really want to make sure you're making the right decision.

Signalbox · 26/12/2022 12:37

Ofcourseshecan · 26/12/2022 12:06

Actually, seriously good idea.

As we’ve seen from a case in England, a transman can get pregnant by a sperm donor three days after getting the GRC that proves they’re officially a man. So no problem with continuing to live exactly as before.

And I’m in favour of anything that gives a child more time to think about the consequences of body-changing surgery and lifelong medication.

I guess it only costs a fiver so why not apply and have a last minute change of mind if you don’t actually want to become a man. That must be what the “3 month period of reflection” is for.

Ofcourseshecan · 26/12/2022 12:06

Toseland · 23/12/2022 14:09

I think women in Scotland should apply en masse - just to slow up the applications for children applying.

Actually, seriously good idea.

As we’ve seen from a case in England, a transman can get pregnant by a sperm donor three days after getting the GRC that proves they’re officially a man. So no problem with continuing to live exactly as before.

And I’m in favour of anything that gives a child more time to think about the consequences of body-changing surgery and lifelong medication.

Buzzinwithbez · 26/12/2022 12:02

I have the Amazon receipt. I also bought it in khaki green, which is a very manly colour.
My husband who may be a little confuffled that he's going to become a gay man, but I'm sure he'll get over over it has also witnessed this feast of manliness many times. I mean, the signs were there. I stopped wearing a bra too around the same time off the shewee as I became prone to breast cysts. It's a pity I can't identify out of those completely but not wearing a bra seems to improve things a lot.

Boiledbeetle · 26/12/2022 11:54

Buzzinwithbez · 26/12/2022 11:48

I bought a shewee when all the toilets were closed as I could see this was much less of a problem for men who could and did pee anywhere, so I think my transition was then.

Excellent, did you keep the receipt, or handily photograph yourself using said device. You'll probably not need them as proof but always good to be prepared.

duh, you bought a shewee or course you're prepared.

Handily the motto of the boy scouts is be prepared.

Buzzinwithbez · 26/12/2022 11:48

I bought a shewee when all the toilets were closed as I could see this was much less of a problem for men who could and did pee anywhere, so I think my transition was then.

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