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Sweden cuts ties with WPATH

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ResisterRex · 23/12/2022 07:30

thepostmillennial.com/sweden-cuts-ties-with-leading-trans-health-group-over-guidelines-for-child-sex-changes

"Swedish health authorities have officially broken ranks with the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) with the announcement that gender clinics will no longer be attempting to perform experimental sex changes on under-18s but will instead offer “psychological support to help youth live with the healthy body they were born with.”

According to an article published in the Swedish medical journal Läkartidningen, new guidelines will be published before the end of the year advising against puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and surgery for under 18s. This is in direct contrast with the WPATH Standards of Care 8 (SOC8) released earlier this year which advises affirmation and medical intervention as the first line of treatment for gender-confused minors.

“As a whole, the new guidelines will be more reasonable than the previous ones and advocate a great deal of caution with irreversible interventions in healthy bodies, as we know that some will regret it,” writes pediatrician Mats Reimer. He explained that puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones will only be available to youth in the strictest of clinical trial settings from now on, given the “extremely weak” evidence for their use."

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MrGHardy · 24/12/2022 23:38

We knew this day would come. Nevertheless, it is satisfactory after all the "worldwide standard of care" nonsense the lobbyists have been harping on about for years.

TheBiologyStupid · 24/12/2022 21:17

WhereYouLeftIt · 23/12/2022 15:59

This is MASSIVE!

"puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones will only be available to youth in the strictest of clinical trial settings from now on, given the “extremely weak” evidence for their use."
So they will still be available. But "strictest of clinical trial settings" at least means data will be gathered, and presumably patients followed up.

And it looks as if WPATH has seriously overreached itself! Updating its guidelines from SOC7 to SOC8, which included 'eunuch' "as an innate gender identity even children can possess."

I love this:

"Reimer, as well as many other experts, believes this is a sign that WPATH is not a scientific organization but instead an activist group.

"Had this been published anywhere other than in a supposedly scientific article, it would have been thought that it was satire," said Reimer."

Halle-fucking-luhjah!

Halle-fucking-luhjah indeed!

DameMaud · 24/12/2022 16:11

WhereYouLeftIt · 24/12/2022 13:22

Thank you, thank you, thank you! I'll set some time aside later to listen to this, I really need to get my head around all the players.

Goodo! Glad to be of service. Recommend the whole podcast series btw

WhereYouLeftIt · 24/12/2022 13:22

DameMaud · 23/12/2022 17:43

Just checked show notes. Yes. They cover the history. Fascinating

Thank you, thank you, thank you! I'll set some time aside later to listen to this, I really need to get my head around all the players.

ArabellaScott · 23/12/2022 23:03

Hm, this report from ForWomen on 'SPATH' suggests they may be talking bullshit about not working with or basing policy on WPATH

forwomen.scot/16/11/2022/spath/

Lilavanblue · 23/12/2022 22:32

Boomboom22 · 23/12/2022 22:12

This is great. Lefties love progressive Sweden so maybe will help to get through.

That was my first thought too. Good to see that „progressive“ doesn’t always necessarily mean uncritically accepting of any new ideas/ ideologies.

Boomboom22 · 23/12/2022 22:12

This is great. Lefties love progressive Sweden so maybe will help to get through.

LangClegsInSpace · 23/12/2022 20:35

Excellent news.

I'm really heartened by Sweden and the way they have begun rowing back over the past couple of years. I hope other countries including the UK are watching and learning.

TenzingNorgay · 23/12/2022 20:27

WPATH 'experts' linked to child pornography/BDSM
grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/top-academic-behind-fetish-site-hosting

ArabellaScott · 23/12/2022 20:14

After NHS Scotland shared the WPATH SoC v 8, with links to the Eunuch Archive (wherein much CSA material) they conducted an 'investigation'.

This resulted in NHS Scotland saying categorically that they do not use WPATH SoC or work with WPATH anymore:

'On the 15th of June, NHS National Services Scotland’s National Services Division became aware of a third-party document hosted on the National Gender Identity Care Network for Scotland (NGICNS) website. The document has since been removed and the website taken down pending the outcome of an investigation.

NHS Scotland did not author the document, contribute to it or comment on it. The document’s content does not reflect current policy or guidance on standards of care for NHS Scotland.

The document was part of a public consultation led by the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) and as such is unrelated to NHS Scotland and the NGICNS. NHS Scotland and WPATH do not have a working relationship, and any concerns about the content should be raised directly with WPATH.'

www.nss.nhs.scot/publications/foi-000151-unlicensed-eunuch-procedures-and-the-care-of-the-patients/foi-000151-unlicensed-eunuch-procedures-and-the-care-of-the-patients-html/

ArabellaScott · 23/12/2022 20:11

Good. Bring it all down, bit by bit, piece by piece.

DameMaud · 23/12/2022 17:43

Just checked show notes. Yes. They cover the history. Fascinating

DameMaud · 23/12/2022 17:41

WhereYouLeftIt · 23/12/2022 16:01

A question for anyone who knows - how (and where and by who) did WPATH get started? How did it become an "internationally respected professional association"?

Pretty sure they cover it in here. Check out the links under the video too

WhereYouLeftIt · 23/12/2022 16:01

A question for anyone who knows - how (and where and by who) did WPATH get started? How did it become an "internationally respected professional association"?

WhereYouLeftIt · 23/12/2022 15:59

This is MASSIVE!

"puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones will only be available to youth in the strictest of clinical trial settings from now on, given the “extremely weak” evidence for their use."
So they will still be available. But "strictest of clinical trial settings" at least means data will be gathered, and presumably patients followed up.

And it looks as if WPATH has seriously overreached itself! Updating its guidelines from SOC7 to SOC8, which included 'eunuch' "as an innate gender identity even children can possess."

I love this:

"Reimer, as well as many other experts, believes this is a sign that WPATH is not a scientific organization but instead an activist group.

"Had this been published anywhere other than in a supposedly scientific article, it would have been thought that it was satire," said Reimer."

Halle-fucking-luhjah!

FannyCann · 23/12/2022 15:49

Great news. Let's hope it's the beginning of the end of WPATH.

TenzingNorgay · 23/12/2022 15:30

Yet the whole of this field is led by shysters and scammers. The dark heart of it is a hatred of the body and a penchant for sex with children.

FOJN · 23/12/2022 15:17

Obviously this is good news but even a cursory glance at WPATH would have told anyone with any sense that it is an activist group rather than a credible organisation with expertise in the field of trans healthcare.

TenzingNorgay · 23/12/2022 14:50

They see the lawsuits that are in the pipeline.

Eugenics in Scotland apparently perfectly fine.

dcbc1234 · 23/12/2022 14:46

OmiOmy · 23/12/2022 14:02

Well done, Sweden. I'm sure other countries will follow suit, given time.

I am glad they are in reverse but it was a bit dumb for medical professionals to be doing this in the first place.

DameMaud · 23/12/2022 14:13

This gives us some much needed hope. Thanks for posting OP!
Sweden seem to be a step ahead. The UK still has the potential to be in the lead with them at this point. It's so difficult to predict which way we might go at this point though!
I do hope Hilary Cass is following Sweden's decision here.

OmiOmy · 23/12/2022 14:02

Well done, Sweden. I'm sure other countries will follow suit, given time.

InterestingUsernameTBC · 23/12/2022 13:51

From OP:
Gender clinics will no longer be attempting to perform experimental sex changes on under-18s but will instead offer “psychological support to help youth live with the healthy body they were born with.”

This is abhorrent! This is conversion therapy! They want trans people to not exist. This is literal genocide.

Isn't that what we've been told when we've suggested that the best outcome for a gender questioning child is that they reconcile with their sexed body? But also, if this is the desired outcome for children it does throw a different light on what it is to be trans, doesn't it? Maybe we can return to some sanity? I echo others' calls for other countries to follow suit.

WarriorN · 23/12/2022 09:16

Excellent news