Two Survivors Allege They Were “Groomed,” Sexually Exploited By Staff at Scottish LGBT Youth Charity

this is very disturbing! Nothing has been learn from the worst grooming cases in UK!

This is one of the reasons why the LGBA is fought so hard against. It's an existential threat in that it represents separate and dissenting voices to the political lobby that tries so hard to say they are the voice of everyone in the acronynm, all of them, all wanting what the political lobby wants, and politicians should listen to them alone.

LGB people have been used.

Yes, it makes sense and thank you for clarifying. I am pretty scared of the backlash, though.

My comment was poorly worded. It's the communities that support the extreme trans insanity that I take issue with. I have no problem with LGB people. But in my mind I sort of separate LGBT+ and LGB as their own entities with different goals. Does that make sense? I'm bisexual myself so I certainly take no issue with gay lesbian or bisexual people.

This is the sort of attitude (an understandable one) us old-fashioned LGB people dread. We will be tarred by the madness of the gender ideologues and deviants.

FFS.

'...a former volunteer with the organization has now come forward with new allegations, emphatically asserting that there were no child safeguarding measures in place whatsoever while he was involved with the charity.'
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'Justin says that adult volunteers were imposing their political and social values upon the young service users.

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'Justin says that one of his first tasks in the office as a volunteer was helping staff “destroy” any reference to the charity’s former CEO, James Rennie.'
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'Unpaid volunteers, many of whom did not have professional qualifications, were working directly with minors.

“It was mainly the unpaid volunteers that tended to do the more direct work with the young people,” Justin says, adding that some of the minor service users had been referred to the charity through social services and were considered quite vulnerable.'
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'During a workshop on the first day of the gathering, Justin says he watched an adult volunteer new to the organization “openly flirt” with two of the teen service users, who were approximately 14 to 16 years old.'

Shut this organisation down ten years ago, already. And get it OUT of our schools.

And WHY is the investigative journalism falling to Reduxx (who are fabulous) - where is our media? Where are the BBC? Where are all the papers?

reduxx.info/a-well-funded-pressure-group-former-volunteer-at-scottish-lgbt-youth-charity-alleges-inappropriate-conduct-by-staff/

The sad thing is that I no longer find that even slightly surprising.

Safeguarding women from men in dresses is also safeguarding children, it is a win win.

It is remarkable that one of the ‘lived experience’ experts appears to be someone whose condition means she cannot actually recall her own lived experiences…

I mean… it’s not being discriminatory to suggest that may be a significant barrier to being suitable for the role. One for which no reasonable adjustment could be made.

(Also, what makes an experience ‘lived’? Are there unlived experiences?)

I agree. Adults in whatever setting talking to children about sexual enjoyment is totally inappropriate. Cringe, as my DC would say - and more.

yep. the thing that rings alarm bells for me is people who want to tell children how to have 'good' sex and to achieve sexual pleasure. that just straight up isn't something that needs to be taught in schools

Children and young people are also receiving a very different account via porn.

Let’s keep ourselves in check and make sure we don’t get lost in the fog. I don’t want my child growing up in a world where we start keeping children in the dark about their bodies again because we forgot the past for the sake of political convenience. It would infuriate me. They need a safe age appropriate healthy way to learn about their biology. My sister got her period at nine and I at 11. That information might make some parents uncomfortable. But that’s reality for you. There’s your timeline. Nature is unpleasant sometimes I know

it’s interesting isn’t it? My experience as a young girl was that young boys were obsessed with girls’ bodies and with seeing our knickers and ‘boobies’. I had zero idea why and also no idea why I had to wear tops and boys didn’t or why I had to sit with my legs together, watch out for dirty old men or why there were smutty Father Christmas jokes about children sitting on his lap. I thought that rape was when a man undressed a woman and ran away. There was all this ‘stuff’ happening that I didn’t quite get but which I knew was ‘rude’. Now children are taught the pants rule and are also exposed to sexual language and images much earlier but in some places sex education is being suppressed. In others sex is more likely to be overheard by young children and the resulting pregnancy more obvious. At the same time, I wonder what meanings small girls in Iran make of modesty clothing and why they have to wear it. Merjane Satrapi’s Persepolis tells a lovely story of childhood understanding and resistance to this when the girls are given the veil and all become superheroes by using it as a cape.

I think it depends on the sex-ed. IMO (and I haven't really thought this through properly) sex ed should be about contraception, consent, risk and the basic mechanics. I don't think things like choking, or rimming etc are really appropriate, nor do I think that children should be taught that sometimes lesbians are men.

yikkes!

yep. the thing that rings alarm bells for me is people who want to tell children how to have 'good' sex and to achieve sexual pleasure. that just straight up isn't something that needs to be taught in schools

I am pretty confident that the actual societal consensus (not the socially mediated extremes) lies in the middle - with sensible, fact-based sex education for children

Well yes, you hear the extremist nonsense such as 'if you're worried about men raping women in prisons then you should be worried about getting rid of prisons altogether in some far off distant utopia (presumably where sex offenders just rampage around expressing their little selves and the general populace string them up from lamp posts when they're sufficiently sick of them)'.

This is also currently a 'thing'. We seem to live in extremely tedious times.

If it's the blunt option between 'your child is either going to be indoctrinated with a religious faith as if it is the objective truth, with all the possible harms attendant to your child on this, plus be taught that you are a sinner damned for eternity who should be shunned if you deny The Faith' or 'your child learns no sex ed at all' then frankly the second would be less harmful. But this kind of black and white extremist thinking isn't really the norm, and I'd think there would be a lot of more adult and rational positions between the two.

Where are these voices, though? I've not seen anyone on here suggesting we shouldn't have sex ed.

Of course it's not all 'doomed'. Things go back and forth. We keep on.