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Whilst we are being told that GRA will make no difference to women, please remember what Stonewall are currently campaigning for

31 replies

BedTaker · 22/12/2022 17:02

The narrative around GRA reform is that the Equality Act remains unchanged and so women will still be able to access single sex spaces using the exemptions in the EA.

Now, apart from. Lady Haldene's recent court ruling throwing into question what the definition of 'sex' and 'woman' even means in law (biology or paperwork), and requiring urgent clarification, Stonewall have this on their website right now as one of their 'recommendations' to the Women and Equalities Select Committee:

A review of the Equality Act 2010 to include ‘gender identity’ rather than ‘gender reassignment’ as a protected characteristic and to remove exemptions, such as access to single-sex spaces

www.stonewall.org.uk/women-and-equalities-select-committee-inquiry-transgender-equality

At the moment, even those males with a GRC can be excluded from female only provision in certain situations. The above reads to me as though Stonewall want to remove those exemptions so that that would not be possible. If anyone is able to clarify this I would appreciate it.

Stonewall is the biggest 'LGBT' charity in the country, so this is fairly significant to me, even if its unlikely to ever be changed. I don't think they are going to stop until women do not have anywhere they can exist away from males.

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Clymene · 22/12/2022 17:47

Rightsraptor · 22/12/2022 17:36

I've heard this for sometime now and don't get it. No charity is allowed to campaign for people to lose rights, as I understand it (IANAL). If so, it appears that SW may be in contravention of their charitable status.

Where did you find it on their website, OP? Is it easy to find? I must make it my new year's resolution #1 to raise this with SW, which I believe is what you do before contacting the CC.

No they aren't but they've been doing it for years. And the Charity Commission is too toothless to do anything.

Loads of charities are lobbying organisations, dressed up as charities

BedTaker · 22/12/2022 17:44

Rightsraptor · 22/12/2022 17:36

I've heard this for sometime now and don't get it. No charity is allowed to campaign for people to lose rights, as I understand it (IANAL). If so, it appears that SW may be in contravention of their charitable status.

Where did you find it on their website, OP? Is it easy to find? I must make it my new year's resolution #1 to raise this with SW, which I believe is what you do before contacting the CC.

If you put 'select committee' into the search function on the website, it is the first hit.

I remember reading it on there a while back - I rather naively assumed that with all the sunlight being brought to the issue recently, they may have removed it from their website, lest their blatant misogyny be exposed. But no, its still there, they still stand by it.

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Blister · 22/12/2022 17:38

If it weren't for the fact my daughter would grow up without a truly female only space, I'd leave the daft women campaigning for this nonsense to live every aspect of it.

Rightsraptor · 22/12/2022 17:36

I've heard this for sometime now and don't get it. No charity is allowed to campaign for people to lose rights, as I understand it (IANAL). If so, it appears that SW may be in contravention of their charitable status.

Where did you find it on their website, OP? Is it easy to find? I must make it my new year's resolution #1 to raise this with SW, which I believe is what you do before contacting the CC.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/12/2022 17:29

One of the founders of Stonewall had this piece in the Mail today urging companies to abandon them:
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11564363/I-helped-Stonewall-today-plead-business-public-body-reconsider.html

Always worth pointing out that any organisation involved with Stonewall creates a hostile environment for women. Erasing women from maternity / employment policies increases the chance of discrimination against the sex who gestates and births babies. If you work somewhere that requires undressing / showering before after work, they openly advocate for men to intrude into those spaces in defiance of all the evidence about men and sex offending.
Stonewall are not just a menace - they're bloody dangerous.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 22/12/2022 17:04

Exactly! They must think we’re bloody stupid