What does living as a woman actually mean?

So thankful to male people for showing us poor limited females how much more there could be to being a woman if we were only able to think beyond our own sex.

Yes. With the comment about expanding what it means to be a woman

Which paper?
If there is a difference, how on earth could they tell it was 'hardwired' rather than conditioned?
(Seems like I'm a man too and so is my dd according to this one.)

Absolutely, AwNo!

I would watch them very carefully

They are, though, I suppose, the kinds of things you'd do if you were disguising yourself as a woman to escape the draft, or some other reason.

Like Klinger from MASH?

This one? twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1518570678282301440

I remember it well.

That was meant to include image and photo from original but hasn't attached. Oh well.

All of this would never have been the mess it is if men like Alex could have gone with 'expanding the bandwidth of what it means to be man' instead 🙄

Yep. Buy him a sparkly scarf.

DH vacuumed up today, put away the laundry and is now making our dinner. Is he a woman now?

If (a big if) this goes through, I think I will have to apply. I don't feel female, I haven't bothered with makeup since COVID and I wear trousers. Our gas bill already says Mr ABC, so where do I sign up?*

*Which brings up the interesting question of how do they prove the application true? If I apply using my husband's name, how will they know the difference?

Oh Lordy. Piece in the paper today that the male and female brain treat disorder differently. Women are hard wired to sort out disarray. Men see it but don’t deal with it.

More proof I am a man. And something else for the TRAs to use

He's hanging out with Folly. Or possibly identifying as her.

Proverbs 9:13–18

13 The woman Folly is loud; she is seductive and knows nothing.

14 She sits at the door of her house; she takes a seat on the highest places of the town,

15 calling to those who pass by, who are going straight on their way,

16 “Whoever is simple, let him turn in here!” And to him who lacks sense she says,

17 “Stolen water is sweet, and bread eaten in secret is pleasant.”

18 But he does not know that the dead are there, that her guests are in the depths of Sheol.

There's a lot more. It's an interesting book, a bit repetitive but sometimes oddly relatable. Sometimes also not, of course.

So while the woman is cooking, spinning, weaving, farming, running at least 2 businesses, doing the shopping, investing in land, farming, and feeding the servants ... is the man doing anything other than sitting at the city gates and saying 'Well done, love' occasionally?

I think that, to live as a woman, I’m supposed to shave my legs, wear make up and a skirt, and pluck my chin hairs?

In which case I guess I’ve been living as a man since I gave birth to DS.

DH is sure gonna be surprised to hear it. 👀

@Treaclemine I love that!

It's from Proverbs Chapter 31, verses 10-31, Treaclemine:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proverbs_31#The_good_wife_(31:10–31)

Ah that use over time graph is perfect BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn!

(OT but I love your username - I get a wee whiff of the lovely bearcats every time I read it)

Somewhere in the Bible there is a description of what a good wife is, that might do for a definition of living as a woman. (Can't at the moment source chapter and verse. Proverbs, I think, and recited to wives by Jewish men, I gather.)

A wife of noble character who can find?
She is worth far more than rubies.
11
Her husband has full confidence in her
and lacks nothing of value.
12
She brings him good, not harm,
all the days of her life.
13
She selects wool and flax
and works with eager hands.
14
She is like the merchant ships,
bringing her food from afar.
15
She gets up while it is still night;
she provides food for her family
and portions for her female servants.
16
She considers a field and buys it;
out of her earnings she plants a vineyard.
17
She sets about her work vigorously;
her arms are strong for her tasks.
18
She sees that her trading is profitable,
and her lamp does not go out at night.
19
In her hand she holds the distaff
and grasps the spindle with her fingers.
20
She opens her arms to the poor
and extends her hands to the needy.
21
When it snows, she has no fear for her household;
for all of them are clothed in scarlet.
22
She makes coverings for her bed;
she is clothed in fine linen and purple.
23
Her husband is respected at the city gate,
where he takes his seat among the elders of the land.
24
She makes linen garments and sells them
and supplies the merchants with sashes.
25
She is clothed with strength and dignity;
she can laugh at the days to come.
26
She speaks with wisdom,
and faithful instruction is on her tongue.
27
She watches over the affairs of her household
and does not eat the bread of idleness.
28
Her children arise and call her blessed;
her husband also, and he praises her:
29
“Many women do noble things,
but you surpass them all.”
30
Charm is deceptive, and beauty is fleeting;
but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised.
31
Honor her for all that her hands have done,
and let her works bring her praise at the city gate.

Now what percentage of these things or their equivalent should we expect from a TW?
And which phrases should we demand of them, before they have lived as a woman for five minutes?

Yes!

I'm normally pretty good at homing in on language that doesn't make sense, but in this fiasco there is so much utter nonsense that I hadn't got to the phrasing.

You're right - "identity as" makes no sense. We identify other, external, things; we don't identify as them.

This graph of the use of the phrase is illumimating: trends.google.co.uk/trends/explore?date=all&q=%22Identify%20as%22

My mummy always said "well, speaking as a woman......". It used to make me laugh. Maybe she was ahead of her generation

It’s been happening for some time already. It’s a nightmare.

This might have been answered already, but it's absolutely true. I can't remember exactly which document it was in but I came across it as part of the consultation.