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Posie’s back!

291 replies

Whatthechicken · 21/12/2022 21:09

love her, or hate her, we need her…and not a moment too soon.

twitter.com/theposieparker/status/1605663118402600961?s=21&t=PWXzDYgfqtMOfbm25dj7Mw

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Onnabugeisha · 24/12/2022 21:41

SinnerBoy · 24/12/2022 14:40

I'm new here and haven't seen anything on it by you.

Here’s what WPUK has on the subject of Posie Parker and Religious Right collaborations. It has references for further reading/evidence and you can always do more research yourself. I have:

Women and the Religious Right in the USA: Jayne Egerton 2nd July 2022
womansplaceuk.org/2022/07/02/women-and-the-religious-right-in-the-usa-jayne-egerton/

Woman’s Place and Kellie-Jay Keen (aka Posie Parker) 22nd June 2022
womansplaceuk.org/2022/06/22/womans-place-and-posie-parker/

Onnabugeisha · 24/12/2022 21:34

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 24/12/2022 17:52

So - if agreeing/supporting an individual like Posie isn't acceptable because she has some things in common with people who have affiliations we're uncomfortable with then please, please introduce us to the alternative person who is as unapologetic, ballsy and brave as she is and also politically flawless and will say and do what it takes to fight for women, kids.

I don't expect an immediate response - I have mince pies and fizz on the go so all is good - but before the end of the night would be good.

WPUK
womansplaceuk.org

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 24/12/2022 17:52

So - if agreeing/supporting an individual like Posie isn't acceptable because she has some things in common with people who have affiliations we're uncomfortable with then please, please introduce us to the alternative person who is as unapologetic, ballsy and brave as she is and also politically flawless and will say and do what it takes to fight for women, kids.

I don't expect an immediate response - I have mince pies and fizz on the go so all is good - but before the end of the night would be good.

NancyDrawed · 24/12/2022 16:30

It was KJK's epic rant that a mumsnetter posted in 2018 that started me on the path to terfdom

TRAs hate her because she is effective and tells it like it is, no be kind or mangling of language.

I think perhaps some of the academic feminists look down their noses at her because she hasn't studied like them, but just gets on and gets things done and has a reach that they don't.

And my God, wasn't she right with her billboards a few years back and saying how important it was to protect the meaning of the word woman

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3362782-posie-parker-brilliant-rant?reply=

NancyDrawed · 24/12/2022 16:22
LangClegsInSpace · 24/12/2022 16:12

I never heard the Hong Kong boarding school story before. That's hilarious!

SinnerBoy · 24/12/2022 16:10

I suppose Ant may be working on the basis of: "If I repeat this over and over again, some people will believe it."

Datun · 24/12/2022 16:08

SinnerBoy · 24/12/2022 14:40

I'm new here and haven't seen anything on it by you.

That poster has a personal gripe against Posie Parker. God knows why.

They said they had 'seen evidence' - the horror! that Posie had gone to a private boarding school in Hong Kong financed by her grandparents.

Posie doesn't tend to spend time refuting any of this nonsense, but she couldn't help snorting at that, given her grandparents live on a council estate.

I'd put it all down to envy, but I struggle to think anyone would be so open about it.

TheBiologyStupid · 24/12/2022 15:36

beastlyslumber · 24/12/2022 14:58

Ooh I like that. If you can't back it up, you made it up. Perfect!

Yes, (Christopher) Hitchens's Razor: "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchens%27s_razor

Helleofabore · 24/12/2022 15:21

Didn’t we see just that? making it up? where Antelope told us a great story about Hong Kong boarding schools and where she, KJK, met her husband.

And no, Antelope, you have not posted one shred of convincing evidence to back up your seemingly very personal and hostile feelings towards Kellie Jay Keen. It seems she said something mean to you and you have been on a hate campaign ever since. Instead of just ignoring her and her actions, you are on probably every thread. And you even took two threads to admit that women protesting with her were experiencing violence from extreme activists. Despite being asked directly repeatedly .

That is your level of engagement with these threads.

TheBiologyStupid · 24/12/2022 15:20

MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/12/2022 13:25

As this thread is so regularly bumped, here's KJK herself talking about "guilt by association" & the reality of many of the allegations made against her. It's a good listen (& always worth listening to the woman herself rather than her haters). :

savageminds.substack.com/p/kellie-jay-keen-and-heather-brunskell#details

That's an excellent listen, thanks!

beastlyslumber · 24/12/2022 14:58

Ooh I like that. If you can't back it up, you made it up. Perfect!

SinnerBoy · 24/12/2022 14:52

Well, my next response was going to be, if you can't back it up, you made it up.

beastlyslumber · 24/12/2022 14:45

Don't worry, sinner. AV is known for their lies on this subject. There's no evidence. It's like JKR's transphobia or the loch ness monster.

SinnerBoy · 24/12/2022 14:40

I'm new here and haven't seen anything on it by you.

antelopevalley · 24/12/2022 14:39

I have done many times. You all dismiss it. Just google there are articles written about it.

SinnerBoy · 24/12/2022 14:38

antelopevalley · Today 14:05

Intellectual feminists? You mean ones who understand that promoting the right wing does not benefit girls and women?

Could you please provide us with some concrete examples of her promoting the right wing? Thanks in advance.

antelopevalley · 24/12/2022 14:05

Intellectual feminists? You mean ones who understand that promoting the right wing does not benefit girls and women?

beastlyslumber · 24/12/2022 13:25

TRAs don't like her, obviously, because she's damned effective. But some intellectual feminists don't like her, either, because well, who the fuck knows.

I think it boils down to the same reason. She's more effective than they are and it rips their knitting.

SinnerBoy · 24/12/2022 12:19

Thanks for the explanation, Datun.

Datun · 24/12/2022 12:00

Too many 'yous' and not enough 'she's' in that comment, but you get the drift

Datun · 24/12/2022 11:56

SinnerBoy · 24/12/2022 11:41

Ah, thanks for that. I've watched quite a few of her videos and read some of her articles and just couldn't see where the accusation was coming from. And obviously, none of the people saying it give any real explanation.

There have been half a dozen threads trying to find out exactly why some people don't like her.

TRAs don't like her, obviously, because she's damned effective. But some intellectual feminists don't like her, either, because well, who the fuck knows.

However, her actual campaigning is spot-on and it's almost impossible to criticise, because all she does is give a platform to women. Any women.

So any criticism ignores the actual content of her activism, is often superficial and largely the result of a tortuous dot joining process, including disgruntlement over the colour of her hair, the size of her house, and the condemnation of the politics of one of the employees of a security firm she hired.

When you're trying to discredit somebody, because of the opinion of a security firm employee, that you've had to hire, because people criticising you are putting you in danger, you know it's not being done in good faith.

SinnerBoy · 24/12/2022 11:41

Ah, thanks for that. I've watched quite a few of her videos and read some of her articles and just couldn't see where the accusation was coming from. And obviously, none of the people saying it give any real explanation.

MarshaBradyo · 24/12/2022 11:41

ExiledElsie · 24/12/2022 11:17

If you are seeking intellectual discourse, KJK is not going to be the person that you will go to.

This situation isn't a theoretical thought experiment, we just need plain speaking at this point.

Yes and cut through

Waffle is no help

BordoisAgain · 24/12/2022 11:38

SinnerBoy · 24/12/2022 11:22

LangClegsInSpace

Why do people lie about KJK? That's the big question isn't it?

Well, I know why in general, but it seems to be quite specific. I just wonder where it comes from, to have whatever it is twisted. Is it something like,

"Starmer was on Question Time with Farrage, therefore, Starmer is a right wing racist too!"

Kind of. My understanding is that she holds events in public that are open for everyone and anyone to attend, therefore KJK is in league with anyone "far right" who attends.