Posie’s back!

Posies detractors prefer to use other people's words as evidence of her crimes and yet she runs her own YouTube channel where you can see everything she says for yourself and make up your own mind. There's a certain amount of irony in signposting people to other sources about the woman who started the "let women speak" campaign.

This is a clip taken from another YouTube channel but it is pure unedited Posie.

I can hardly wait to see what real feminists make of her TERF Queen Christmas message, complete with tiara. 😁

Right wingism isn't like covid. You can still be left wing and have conversations, eat lunch, swap seeds, share a big bag of crisps and even hug a right wing person and not catch the evil.

All of this.

Spot on Snowy. This issue's repeatedly discussed on here. There are some people who post (fortunately a minority) who can't cope with the idea that those with different views to theirs are entitled to the same democratic rights as others. They struggle to respect different views and often substitute discussion with smears and allegations. It's tedious and frankly childish but they're caught up in some sort of "purity spiral" and seem unable to break out of it.
One of the brilliant things about this board is that there are constant discussions where my thinking is challenged. I've had to rethink countless ideas / views that I've held in recent years.

Is it just me that thinks it's just fine for her to talk to people on the religious right?
Talking to people doesn't mean you have to agree with every word that crosses their lips. We can agree on one thing and nothing much else.

I think right-wing people have as much to lose to gender ideology as anyone else and their kids are in as much danger as the kids of left-wing people. That includes people that are anti-abortion, that are against gay marriage, and whatever else they think. I don't agree with any of them on those things, I'm the least religious person ever, but I still believe they deserve to know what's going on under their noses in the name of gender.

Does it? Religious women, non religious women, right wing women, left wing women. All have a right to speak.

Do you ever say or do anything other than whine about Posie Parker? And post about how good you are compared to her?

Appreciating KJK's campaigning skills does not make anyone opposed to immigration, contraception, abortion or any of the other issues as you allege

agreed

That Jayne Edgerton woman has lost her mind! She has it tied all the way back to Reagan. It seems PP is a time traveller and got him elected on a trip to the 80s and shagged Steve Bannon on the way back to the present. Or something. Elvis may have been involved.

As do you.

Please recall you initiated this conversation with me by objecting to the links I posted in response to @SinnerBoy ’s request for info on KJKs links to the right wing. It was two links and quite restrained really, no wild accusations by twitterers or random YouTubers. But measured research done by WPUK who actually agree with KJK in most respects.

You didn’t need to interject yourself. It seems you think religious women have a right to speak, but not me indicates where your sympathies lie does it not?

Religious right religious righ religious right.

Fuck me don't you bang on and on.

Im the least religious person on the planet but I still believe religious women have a right to speak.

As for the rest, I’m not sure you understand the meaning of “collaborate”

that is funny! Very funny indeed.

Sadly, it is true of KJK and others. 😔
As for the rest, I’m not sure you understand the meaning of “collaborate”

You can say she collaborates with the religious right as much as you like, but that doesn't make it true.
Are you collaborating with the religious right when you post here? Being as you think we must all be the religious right too? Religious right, religious right, blah blah blah.

You sound exactly like a TRA repeating things like a mantra as if they're true, so everything else you say just gets ignored.

What are you on about? I never said “appreciating KJKs campaigning skills” equates to any of that. I’ve merely stated factually, I might add, the political aims of the religious right with whom KJK has been collaborating with. Supporting her is also supporting her working with the religious right. This is why many women are uncomfortable, and it’s not “unhinged” or “alarmist” to have this view at all. Her way isn’t the only way. We are all free to choose who we support.

".....you’d also be on the right and be in agreement with the religious right and their opposition to immigration, contraception, abortion, same sex marriage & adoption, gender nonconforming dress/behaviour by men and women, and of course, the very existence of transgender people".

If you are who you say you are Onnabugeisha, then it's such a shame to see emotionally incontinent attacks like this against other women - this is how transactivists behave. Appreciating KJK's campaigning skills does not make anyone opposed to immigration, contraception, abortion or any of the other issues as you allege. WPUK, while seeming to be somewhat ineffective in comparison to FPFW, Sex Matters, Transgender Trend, SSA, Genspect, KPSS etc, I know has many good women members and it's frankly embarrassing to read unhinged ramblings like this from someone who cites them.
For those concerned at such alarmist allegations, I'd recommend the substack interview interview posted upthread where KJK talks about all this. It is long but she talks in detail about some of the incidents.
Wouldn't it be great if in the New Year women could work together against trans extremism and lose the frankly childish demands that we all chant the same mantras?

I’ve mentioned WPUK exactly twice on two threads and only when directly asked by a poster on MN. The first when told I should start my own political party, to which I responded I don’t need to as I belong to WPUK. Then this thread when a poster has directly asked who else is there other than KJK.

So that is hardly me saying they are the “answer to everything”. As for why can’t I move on…I have actually?

Why are you so invested in the poster who asked “who else is there other than KJK?” being met with silence? Surely all women deserve to know what choices exist? Why do you want them to think that only KJK thinks sex matters and only KJK is defending womens spaces in the U.K.? It seems very odd to me that you repeatedly try and silence me on threads whenever after being directly asked, I mention that KJK isn’t the only option for women with concerns and post a link to WPUK.

No, I do not work for WPUK, volunteer or paid.

They are not “having me pulling down a woman who self organises”. This is my view which is shared by many of my friends who also work with WPUK. No one at WPUK has asked me to say anything I’ve posted on here or elsewhere. Im just a regular mum of four, with two being daughters.

If you are comfortable with KJK/PP’s collaborations with the religious right, then my posting WPUK evidenced blogs on the subject and her links to them is hardly pulling her down? Right?

Because you’d also be on the right and be in agreement with the religious right and their opposition to immigration, contraception, abortion, same sex marriage & adoption, gender nonconforming dress/behaviour by men and women, and of course, the very existence of transgender people.

I give KJK credit for being unapologetic in regards to her collaboration with the religious right, credit for her honesty regarding not being a feminist, and credit for her honesty on her numerous videos regarding why she has contempt for the “women of the left” and how “the left is dead” to her.

She’s being brutally honest as to where she is politically and so it’s not really “pulling her down” to inform others of these facts that she is proud of and happily communicates in her various videos and guest appearances on right wing news channels.

I appreciate you have been to a WPUK meeting and they weren’t for you. That’s your choice, but why do you seem invested in denying other women the opportunity you had to check them out and make their own choices?

Come to think of it I never heard anything back either.

Hope you are well :)

@AlisonDonut

Yes, I was there and you kindly showed me and a friend who had also attended where the bar to meet after the event was as we didn't know!

I never heard anything back from WPUK despite having given my details at that event in view of organising local groups iirc.

I went to Posie's event in Nottingham early this year, but haven't the energy or freedom to go to others around the country, I really don't know how she does it. Love her or loathe her (I think she's great) she gets things done.

Deeds not words.

They decided to cut links and move on.

So why can't you?

Do you work for them as I noticed 2 things:

You refer to them as an answer to everything [including them being your own political party]

and

What have they actually ever done? Has anyone outside of their own bubble even heard of them?

Their first statement is 'women's rights to self organise' and yet...they have you pulling down a woman who self organises.

I've been to their meetings and at one of theirs, I brought up why people have forgotten about safeguarding risk assessments [@NancyDrawed was there if I remember correctly if it is the same Nancy] and their panel dismissed it as a waste of time - just a back covering exercise. I lost faith in their ability after that.

I haven't time to listen to 90 minutes of podcast, unfortunately! I'm doing Christmas dinner.

Other people also making baseless claims is not "evidence".

Very much looking forward to the film, @NancyDrawed

Onnabugeisha

Thanks, is she still onboard with them? There was no proof that she's a member of that group, just a statement that she is.

Thanks both I'll look at those.

Here's KJK's adult & nuanced discussion about the rift among feminists seeking to denigrate right-wing women, free speech and the myth of left-wing compassion with Julian Vigo & Heather Brunskell Evans.

Trigger warning - it's well worth a listen if you're mature enough to cope with those who have views that may differ from yours 😉

savageminds.substack.com/p/kellie-jay-keen#details