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The wokebro hypocrisy over Jeremy Clarkson

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RoyalCorgi · 20/12/2022 11:21

There's a thread on Clarkson's comments about Meghan Markle in Feminism Chat, but not here.

I don't particularly want to discuss the comments themselves (I'm sure we all agree they're horrific) but I feel myself once more being pushed to the brink by the hypocrisy of wokebros and handmaidens all lining up to condemn Clarkson as a misogynist, having allied themselves with a movement that routinely makes the most vile threats of sexual aggression against women - and having belittled women's concerns about these threats as silly or irrational.

Talcum X has made a whole video about how terrible Clarkson is. This is a man who routinely blocks feminists on social media so he can't hear what they're saying about male violence. The rest of the time he's calling us bigots.

Zoe Williams (her again) wrote an article about Clarkson in the Guardian, but she's another one who refuses to see the misogynistic bile that pours out of trans activists towards women.

They're all congratulating themselves on how progressive and feminist they are. I don't think I can stand it much longer. I don't know if it's deliberate gaslighting or they're all just incredibly stupid.

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RoyalCorgi · 20/12/2022 13:12

But that’s exactly the reason I can support an authors condemnation of clarkson while also hating some of the same authors other published opinions.

Well, OK. I simply don't believe it's sincere. People like Owen Jones loathe Clarkson and see something like this as an opportunity to moralise about how terrible right-wing men are and boast about how virtuous they themselves are.

In reality, OJ and his chums support a group of aggressive men whose modus operandi is to shout at women, threaten them with sexual violence and, increasingly frequently, physically assault them. Owen can pretend all he likes to be opposed to misogyny but all the evidence suggests otherwise.

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NotBadConsidering · 20/12/2022 12:56

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 20/12/2022 12:31

@NotBadConsidering
You talk with disdain about the left, unintentionally revealing how right wing gender critical feminism has become.

No I talk with disdain for the misogynists on both sides, and the sanctimony of belief that people of the Left can’t hate women as much as the Right. Misogyny is across the entire political spectrum.

Do you think Owen Jones and Zoe Williams should address or ignore men who throw shit at women in real life?

Do they ignore it because those men do it for a cause that they both also agree with?

museumum · 20/12/2022 12:54

You are spot on about the tribalism.
But that’s exactly the reason I can support an authors condemnation of clarkson while also hating some of the same authors other published opinions.
no reason why you can’t agree with some of a persons opinions and disagree with others.

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RoyalCorgi · 20/12/2022 12:49

I had a moment of revelation the other day when I realised that if transgender ideology was being promoted by right-wingers, many prominent figures on the left would be opposed to it.

Because for a lot of people, this is all about tribalism. Right = bad, left = good. They have no ability to think beyond that. No ability to think critically, to weigh up evidence, or to reason from first principles.

One should always remember that the left has often been wrong. The support for eugenics from left-wing individuals in the early 20th century, the uncritical adoration of Stalin and Soviet Russia in the 1930s and 1940s, and the support for the Paedophile Information Exchange in the 1970s.

It takes bravery and intelligence to go against your tribe - something that a lot of people lack, unfortunately.

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/12/2022 12:48

yep it’s massively hypocritical

LOJ/Zoe Williams/JOB et al “Jeremy clarkson is an offensive misogynist for writing that about MM & encouraging further abuse ” - yes indeed he is

also LOJ/Zoe Williams/JOB et al “it’s fine to abuse and threaten women on line and in person if they’re uppity enough to demand single sex spaces and even worse gather to talk about it.They deserve everything they get”

NyanCatForever · 20/12/2022 12:44

The people jumping on Clarkson are no more noble than the ones who have abused MM for years. They are relishing the chance at last to write something about her that gets clicks and ££ that means they don't have to resort to the methods of the press on what they see as the other side.

If you've watched the M&H Netflix doc it makes this pretty clear. Best roll your eyes, ignore, move on. Do not click.

AndEverWhoKnew · 20/12/2022 12:40

Also there is nothing 'Left' about failing to understand sex class analysis and pandering to a movement deeply wedded to pharmaceutical consumerism.
The 'journalists' mentioned aren't on the Left unless your political analysis came from an US Youtube video.

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 20/12/2022 12:40

RoyalCorgi · 20/12/2022 12:26

I would, actually. Because it would be morally consistent. Everyone would be able to see them for the misogynistic little shits that they are.

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I don't agree. The issue with Clarkson's comments isn't about exposing other individuals, it's about exposing Clarkson. I don't think it would help the situation to have more approbation out there, whoever it came from.

aweegc · 20/12/2022 12:36

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 20/12/2022 12:31

@NotBadConsidering
You talk with disdain about the left, unintentionally revealing how right wing gender critical feminism has become.

You can disagree with two things you know. Disagree with The Left AND not be aligned with The Right.

Politically homeless is what many call it.

RethinkingLife · 20/12/2022 12:35

Thelnebriati · 20/12/2022 12:25

Your daily reminder that scolding wokesters are not left wing; they are authoritarian. Authoritarianism is a behavioural trait, not a political one.

Authoritarian wokescolds? Or is the latter not used? How quickly language changes. I remember when woman had a clear and unambiguous meaning…

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 20/12/2022 12:31

@NotBadConsidering
You talk with disdain about the left, unintentionally revealing how right wing gender critical feminism has become.

NotBadConsidering · 20/12/2022 12:28

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 20/12/2022 12:22

Would you prefer them to support Clarkson?

No, they should report on actual violence against women on the occasions it happens in real life, at the time that it happens, (like males actually throwing shit at women in real life) instead of deliberately selecting out certain cases because it would ruin the narrative they try to push on other matters and only focusing on the fantasy violence in one paragraph of a newspaper article.

Condemn Clarkson and trans activists both. But it doesn’t happen because trans activists are “on the right side of history”🙄.

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RoyalCorgi · 20/12/2022 12:26

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 20/12/2022 12:22

Would you prefer them to support Clarkson?

I would, actually. Because it would be morally consistent. Everyone would be able to see them for the misogynistic little shits that they are.

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SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 20/12/2022 12:26

Thelnebriati · 20/12/2022 12:10

What name would you prefer for women that centre men and their rights?

Women.

RayonSunrise · 20/12/2022 12:26

The hypocrisy is petty glaring. You'd think that people who were really alarmed by the Clarkson's vile writing about Markle would be a little more self-aware, but apparently not.

Thelnebriati · 20/12/2022 12:25

Your daily reminder that scolding wokesters are not left wing; they are authoritarian. Authoritarianism is a behavioural trait, not a political one.

Mollyollydolly · 20/12/2022 12:25

I thought exactly the same listening to Sturgeon yesterday. So keen to condemn nobber Clarkson, meanwhile actively supporting men in women's prisons. Clarkson makes me sick and all the hypocrites criticising him make me sick too. It's all so incredibly superficial.

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 20/12/2022 12:22

Would you prefer them to support Clarkson?

NotBadConsidering · 20/12/2022 12:20

paintitallover · 20/12/2022 12:14

@Shelefttheweb

No, there are plenty of threads on this subject. Join one of you want to debate.

But THIS thread is about the hypocrisy of the left. That’s what the OP was about. You’re here commenting, but haven’t commented on the subject of THIS thread. Just scolded the OP for using a certain word. Do you have any opinion on the journalists who ignore left wing males throwing shit at women in real life?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/12/2022 12:17

He's quite rightly been taken to task for his vile comments. And yes, by some of the same people who look away when women are subject to aggressive sexual harassment (go suck my girl dick TERF) and the rest.

paintitallover · 20/12/2022 12:14

@Shelefttheweb

No, there are plenty of threads on this subject. Join one of you want to debate.

Itschristmastimeinthecity · 20/12/2022 12:11

It's disgusting and the fact that some are defending him is what makes it worse.

Abhannmor · 20/12/2022 12:11

Nauseating hypocrisy. Saw the Williams headline but didn't read the article. Haven't read Jones this year either.

Surely they are too intelligent not to be aware of the contradictions in their position on trans and women's rights.

Thelnebriati · 20/12/2022 12:10

What name would you prefer for women that centre men and their rights?

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 20/12/2022 12:10

What kind of misogynist are you with your 'handmaidens'?