How Long Before We Look Back In Amazement

Jamie Wallis MP has joined the Women's and Equalities committee. I fear things will get worse before they get better.

People will follow anything in Bristol unfortunately 🙄

Depends on what people mean by 'my life. It's affecting people I know, my work, my sport.

Unfortunately it's having a massive impact on my life.

Not very likely re the celebs. There are loads who mention their trans child - most very sensitively and clearly with permission- and for those who don't it will be because it's too painful and private. Any celeb who washed that kind of linen in public would quite rightly lose credibility.

I'm waiiting for the first major celeb to find they have an indocrinated child and publicly come out and say "No thank you".

It wouldn't surprise me for a seemingly very small catalyst like that to make awareness and speaking up spread suddenly.

I think it won’t survive as long as some people fear. There is an increasing pushback from gay men (based on an unscientific view of tweets). They are resentful that their history and lifestyle is being rewritten from a trans perspective. I think their voice will be difficult for the pseudo liberals to ignore.
Add a couple of expensive lawsuits from detransitioners in the US and it will become harder to defend medicalised responses.
In the meantime the push to strengthen the EA and repeal the GRA could have long term benefits.
It’s painful and horrible but partly thanks to the fuss at Edinburgh Uni 30k people have watched AHF on YouTube

Where there's potentially a big push back is increasing awareness of and research into women's bodies -sport, medicine, fitness etc. the differences are huge. Invisible women etc.

Englands Women's football team clearly used modern methods of training which includes awareness of cycles. There's also a lot of current sports research into brain injuries among female football and rugby players.

Awareness of menopause among younger women is growing etc.

I think in a decade young women and girls will be more empowered in these areas. Hopefully also for girls' hormones etc causing awful symptoms which is potentially another driver to transition.

I feel this; unfortunately the embedment in schools, which will include staff (teaching is mostly female and I've already noticed there are growing numbers of trans men entering the profession) will potentially result in making it very difficult to balance appropriate teaching on this subject. Which will influence teens.

Though the oldies thinking they're hip effect may come into play in about 10 years.

I would think power. If you can get people to carry out medical experiments on children all in the name of progress you can get them to do anything.

When the PP said 'poor schools' she wasn't referring to poverty stricken schools or schools in impoverished areas.

She was using it as 'unfortunate'- they feel obliged to toe the party line, as opposed to religious and independent schools that may feel more freedom to promote a particular ethos.

I'm not convinced she's right, but I don't think she was looking down her nose at state schools.

Thankfully my kids go to schools and their peers really don’t also seem to be bothered about it all. Thank goodness. No classmates suddenly decided they want to be called Jane instead of Jeremy
How old are your kids?
I am currently working with two 17 year olds who have waited until they left high school so they could be ' free to be the real me' In the last few years I have worked with quite a few 15 and 16 year old as well.

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I fear it won't end in my lifetime, but that when it does, it will make the Jimmy Saville (and other 70s, 80s TV "stars") scandal look like a side bar in the daily fail. The USA is lost. They don't give a toss about schoolkids being gunned down in their classrooms, so why would they care about this? This country has a chance, but it's going to take something horrific to make it change.

This is an agenda coming to fruition. Many of the trans NGO's are funded by the same people worldwide. Women are not the target per se, it is the children. Why are billionaires funding this?

It cannot come soon enough, OP.

I honestly don't think the lie is sustainable. The lawsuits will help with that.

I was going to reply that I didn't think it will happen in my lifetime (I'm 60) but this thread gives me hope:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4698483-will-we-die-out?page=1

Depends how entrenched it becomes - I don't think it's looking great here in Wales but it's not an every day concern but it's an issue we are all aware of.

It is in DH workplace and DC educational institutes and it crops up - DH always get a look of panic on his face when it crops up at home often via media I think due to his academia experiences- but I ask awkward questions and suggest things aren't clear cut - but I'm still careful what I say and my teens aren't advocates and tend to lean towards some skepticism but also it's their friends/groups being kind is a thing and they haven't the live experiences to see the pitfalls.

I suspect US left wing media will have to change it's stance - a lot of the stuff flows from there - their soft power has quiet a reach.

It's made me realise that there is a lot of men who have so much resentment and hatred towards woman.

These people have been given a voice, they have become popular and cool online, they are no longer the social outcasts, they are the leaders. They are seriously mentally disturbed individuals and they have power, so much power.

I am not just talking about men who decide to identify as woman - actually they are only part of the problem as they are very visible (even if they don't think they are).

It's those men who sit and wank in their flats (or most likely their bedrooms whilst mammy is downstairs making their tea). They are not going anywhere.

Even if its not Trans Ideology it will be something esle. These sad pathetic people hate us. They despise every single female. They have got so much power over the last few years thanks to the rise of anonymous social media.

It is terrifying .

It’s fascinating isn’t it?

My kids Catholic school is having none of it. We played the pay or pray card but now we're grateful that they seem to be a barrier against fashionable trends.