Greta Thunberg "♡♡♡" the Edinburgh bullyboys

I agree it’s ok to question and criticise what she does and says, respectfully. But someone like her is going to be absolutely surrounded by extreme gender ideology, it’s rampant in green circles and media etc. on top of her being prime demographic for getting sucked in. People around her (and to be fair. “science” sources like scientific American) will be telling her that the science supports this view. As she’s not a scientist, she may not be equipped to analyse the supposedly scientific claims and work out what makes sense, so she may well think it genuinely does.

Good points well made. I agree.

Sadly, it is natural. That's why Greta would be barred from serving on the jury, if her friend had injured someone; her natural bias would preclude her.

Not long back, my local paper reported that a man very local to me had been convicted of raping young teenagers and threatening them to keep silent. Also up in the dock were some female teens around Greta's age. They were friends of the defendant, and so entirely subscribed to his version of events. As a result, they'd chosen to engage in a coordinated campaign of harassment against the girls he'd raped. One girl received a suspended sentence, and as she wasn't in prison, she spent the evening defaming the victims in the newspaper's online comment section.

The ability to look at one's friends/family objectively/semi-objectively and say "no, you're in the wrong" is a skill mostly only developed in full adulthood, and often, not even then.

Greta is not just an autistic teenager. She is someone who has spoken at COP and been given a loud voice on the world stage. Therefore not only is what she says open for critique, it is imperative we do critique it and condemn it where necessary. Being young or autistic doesn’t mean you get to influence people without question. If you are vulnerable then those around you should protect you by not putting you forward, because as soon as you step on that stage then you must be questioned and held to account.

Well it’s not hard to buy a none disposable mask and use a old Nokia phone. Practice what you preach

You don’t see many vegans eating steak do you?

Try this thread.
Feminist Goals and Organisations Working Towards Them

You'd do better to start a separate thread on this, but I'd suggest NIA, run by Karen Ingala Smith.

WanderingOwl sorry, it's vague memories I have from around that time!

Am trying to find references ...

This one is suggestive of 'tries to find hope against a backdrop of failure'

archive.ph/JR4Kj

So at what age are we allowed to criticise someone’s actions @publicsafety? 25? 30? Why should people not be allowed to disagree with someone’s actions because they’re young? If you’re old enough to put things in the public sphere, you’re old enough to be disagreed with.

Have you got any information on it being made deliberately upbeat? Because all of the 2018 mainstream reporting on it was all constant dire predictions that do not reflect the actual report but claim they do. So why would there be a deliberate attempt to make it upbeat followed by mass reporting that everything was much worse than claimed?

The more and more I read up on climate science, the more obvious it becomes to me, that there is no massive scientific consensus we read about, is similar to the scientific consensus that allows biological males compete in women's sports. Climate change is real, humans are contributing to it, it will have consequences. But it's far from as terrifying as we are currently lead to believe. We do have to make changes to address it, but we aren't all doomed in the way that I think most people have as an ongoing fear due to how it's being reported.

Looking for womens rights charity to donate my “instead of Christmas cards” donation to. It seems increasingly difficult to find one not brought into GI that accepts charitable donations Any suggestions?

WanderingOwl I agree completely with your thoughts on GT. Away to read the report you suggest, now, that sounds worthwhile. I do seem to recall that there was a conscious decision to make that one more 'upbeat' though, as there was a fear that being too scary would lead everyone to abandon all efforts as hopelessly doomed.

Ooh, are we have a 'will you condemn-a-thon'? Excellent, just in time for Christmas.

I'll go first. Will you condemn the cannibalisation of the Guangxi Massacre of 1967-1976? Or do you just not care?

I feel incredibly sorry for her. She was just a kid when her head was filled with news that terrified her and that fear was stoked up for the benefit of others. I get the impression that when she speaks of panic and her future being stolen from her, her feelings are very genuine. But it's that the adults around her who have left her panic and terror to take hold for their own gain are the ones who have stolen her future.

And while I'm not a climate change denier by any means, I have read the UN's 2018 IPCC Special Report on Global Warming. And fuck me, if the actual report isn't drastically different to how it's reported. To the point that it's authors have repeatedly issued clarifications and stated that the report is being taken out of context. Anyone who actually reads the report will not feel panic and terror at the climate situation, as that is not how the report reads. It's very hopeful compared to what we are lead to believe. It gives us time, solutions and totally different consequences to what we are constantly told in the media.

More like a puppet. Her parents have failed her miserably.

Is this the level of dialogue on mumsnet these days?

What are you suggesting she should do- knit her own mask and communicate by semaphore?

Talking of bullies I'm sure the gender critical activists who hang out here will be condemning the dogpile attacks on a young autistic woman for expressing her opinion.

I'll wait....

Nothing natural about that at all. What if her friend had committed a crime that had left someone else injured or deprived of their property? 'My friend, right or wrong' is like something from the primary school playground.

Greta is sending hearts to another teenager she has met up with in-person.

She will naturally take her friend's side, and her friend identifies as trans.

@Andypandy799

If you have to live a perfectly in alignment lifestyle 24/7 to be able to campaign for the improvement of the world, we're all pretty fucked.

19 or 20 is the age when young adults are normally going off to higher education, and where they should be finding their ideas robustly criticized and challenged by their teachers

Unfortunately I don't think they had been happening in universities for some time now.

Greta is a teenage autistic woman. We know she is exactly the demographic who gets drawn in to gender identity politics.

I don't really like the tone of much of this thread. I think she's a vulnerable young woman who was a vulnerable kid, who was (is still) a handy tool for other people's agendas.

Disposable mask

Seen her once wearing a disposable ask whilst on an iPhone. All these woke activists like her and stop oil or extinction rebellion are just a bunch of muppets and hypocrites. Pisses me reet off

The attitude that the planet belongs to us and we can do whatever we want with it is a core tenant of capitalism (and suspiciously masculine) which doesn't recognise communal wealth.

You will never seriously address climate change if you don't address how we got here.

Previously empires just expanded to steal their needs. Until they ran up against the inconvenient truth that while their appetites were infinite, the planet ain't.

thesis->antithesis->synthesis is how it goes, if I recall.

I reckon that she's a GC fifth-columnist. After all, she's brought so much publicity for this film by doing so, right into a new audience.

Keep at it Greta!