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Scotland: "Children could be elected to parliament and high office under ‘controversial’ SNP plan"

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ResisterRex · 14/12/2022 18:01

Why am I not surprised. Why the continued, concerted push to make children become adults before their time.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/12/14/children-could-elected-parliament-high-office-controversial/

"Children in Scotland could stand for parliament and take political office, under plans unveiled by Nicola Sturgeon's governmentt_ to widen democratic "participation".
The Scottish Government published proposals for the minimum age of candidates for Holyrood elections to be cut from 18 to 16, believed to be the lowest election age for a national legislature in the world.
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A Scottish Government consultation admitted there were "potential welfare concerns" with lowering the age to 16, such as exposing children to "intimidation" and "hate speech", as well as abuse on the campaign traill_.
It raised the prospect of youngsters having to live alone in an Edinburgh hotel during the week, away from their families, if their home is beyond commuting distance to the Holyrood parliament.
With the parliament's working week extending from 2.30pm on Monday until 12.30pm on Friday, the consultation also warned that being elected as an MSP could damage a child's education, including their ability to sit exams."

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RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 13/01/2023 11:21

End game = game plan

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 13/01/2023 11:18

Just with the poster cryptically quoting you and being like "that's the end game, yes*
End game of what? By who? Why.not just come out and say what you mean instead of talking in conspiracy riddles

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 13/01/2023 11:13

Toseland · 14/12/2022 19:09

Ah right, if they lower the age on this then perhaps they'll be looking to lower the age for other things too?

What are you implying here?
Are you getting at that because age for elections could be reduced, that must mean they want to lower the age of consent eventually too?!
How does that logic even work if so and how on earth are they related?!

Slothtoes · 12/01/2023 15:24

This is creepy as shit and properly fucking mad. Dont even know where to start with this one. Why not 14? or 12? Why have any parental involvement at all with anything, if adults and children are the same? Call them all ‘people’ and be done with it. Obviously power dynamics and sexual and professional exploitation would only happen to stupid people.

Can people really not hear the screamingly loud safeguarding alarms that should be sounding within the SNP right now?!

nilsmousehammer · 12/01/2023 15:07

And today's award for straight faced posting goes to Evelyn Grin

ArabellaScott · 12/01/2023 14:31

JFC Evelyn, I thought you were serious there for a moment.

EvelynBeatrice · 12/01/2023 13:34

I don't see the concern. The Scottish education system is a superb performer on all international standards so our young people will be well equipped to face the challenges in the same way as our current parliamentarians. There won't be any safeguarding or other concerns about under 18s or over 18 young people spending time in unsupervised close proximity to our Scottish parliamentarians - an august body, none of whom have ever been guilty of any moral or financial impropriety, sexual harassment or lack of judgement such as might worry the anxious parent. And the Scottish state is such a wonderful parent anyway - look how keen it is to intervene in the parental relationship ( named person etc) and look how well children in care in Scotland do academically and socially after ' care' organised by the state.

nilsmousehammer · 12/01/2023 09:45

This is what happens when a lib left government are left to go their full length and disappear up their own little liberal bottoms.

Sadly it leaves those of us in England with the option of more Tory disaster, or to try out some of the lib/left insanity for a change. It's kind of like being asked to decide if you'd rather be hanged or shot.

BlessedKali · 12/01/2023 00:18

When society looks to children to lead that society is doomed.

What ever happened to the concept of elders??

Ive seen it happen around where I live... We live rurally and there are lots of alternative /eco communities and people starting new projects, new ways if living. Ive heard of 'child led learning' but more recently heard of a group of people starting a community that is to be 'child-led'. Just made me think that these people have absolutely no fucking clue if they are looking at their children to lead the way.

Same goes for SNP.

Again, like the GRR situation -they are either incompetent at their job at being policy makers, or something more sinister is going on.

The same with this. Either they want easily influenced children without parental support around....

Or they have NO fucking clue on how to lead.

Tallisker · 11/01/2023 18:23

Remember when Labour allowed a teenage person to be elected as women's officer, that didn't go so well for the teenager did it? Or for women.

LemonjeIly · 11/01/2023 16:57

I think this is part of a general pattern of abdication of responsibility by the Scottish Government when it comes to children. They are the equivalent of the permissive parent who can't say no because they don't want the child not to like them/ not to think they're cool/ progressive. So much easier to hand over responsibility to children and then say "but you wanted this! We gave you agency!"

The adulation of 'child saviour' Greta Thunberg is part of this IMO. Adults not able to be the adults and passing the buck instead.

VaddaABeetch · 11/01/2023 16:04

I’ve made the point before but picture calling a plumber for an emergency & a 16 year old turns up.

PuttingDownRoots · 11/01/2023 16:02

Frankly, I dodon'think 18yos have enough life experience to represent the local population (I honestly thought it was 21 until the SNP had an 18yo MP!) 16yos should be at school studying for their exams, hanging out with their mates, sneaking beer at parties etc.. growing up basically!

SammyScrounge · 11/01/2023 15:54

Rightsraptor · 14/12/2022 18:07

Excellent idea. It would hide Scotland's current dire exam results. Let's send them up chimneys while we're at it.

Whatever happened to Scotland?

Sturgeon

SammyScrounge · 15/12/2022 11:10

Rightsraptor · 14/12/2022 18:07

Excellent idea. It would hide Scotland's current dire exam results. Let's send them up chimneys while we're at it.

Whatever happened to Scotland?

Sturgeon

GrouchyKiwi · 15/12/2022 08:44

I guess they're running out of candidates who can pass background checks so need new people to stick the Yellow rosettes onto come election time for the SNP faithful to vote for.

Utterly bonkers.

SirChenjins · 15/12/2022 08:40

What’s happening is the SNP’s obsession with independence and harvesting the votes - there is really nothing more to it. They will literally do anything to get it through.

SingingSands · 15/12/2022 08:38

And whenever anyone asks me if I miss Scotland and want to move back, I cheerfully tell them "never". What is happening to Scotland?

LatteToday · 15/12/2022 08:35

Quick Google tells me that the only country where someone younger than 18 can stand in elections like this is… North Korea. Where you have to be 17.

LatteToday · 15/12/2022 08:30

This is totally bonkers.

I work for an MP. The amount of abuse, threats, stress and nastiness directed at elected people is worsening all the time.
Why would you purposely expose a child to that?

And how on earth would a 16 yr old cope with the casework? They’d be hearing/reading about things that are inappropriate for children.

and living away from home during the week, whilst dealing with the abuse, the casework, the paperwork…

i can’t believe anyone thinks this is a good idea.

nilsmousehammer · 15/12/2022 08:23

dropthevipers · 15/12/2022 01:45

Whilst I have no idea what the hell they are drinking/smoking up there in Scotland this latest bonkers idea won't add up to much. Who on earth is going to vote for someone who is otherwise only qualified for a Saturday job at Mcdonald's?

Quite.

At this point the SAS need to break in, locate Nicola's policy advisors, and prise the bottle out of their hands.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 15/12/2022 08:16

This is one of the stupidest political policies I've ever heard of, and that's saying something. Who in their right mind would vote for a 16yo to be an MSP? Would their parents/guardians have to give permission for them to stand, given they're not yet legally adult (in the UK as a whole, anyway)? Is this because younger people are more pro-independence?

I am Scottish, although I live in England and have done since I was a child. Most of my family are in Scotland. I love my country but by jings she deserves better than these SNP and Green nutters running the place.

JacquelinePot · 15/12/2022 08:11

How did I not think of this before?!

Blackadder

KittensNotMittens · 15/12/2022 08:03

Nicola hasn’t got kids. No one with a 15, 16 year old in the house would think this is a good idea.

school - naw it’s too cold kiddies and it’s just boring…
drink age lowered to 14 - aye!
tattoos for kids - oh yea!
ban - chores, withholding of pocket money for bad behaviour, visiting great aunt senga at Christmas.

CeratopsofthePharoahs · 15/12/2022 08:01

My 12 year old would have a bash at it. He wants to ban Maths and French in schools and have more emphasis on Food Tech.