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Took no time at all - JKR's "discriminatory" service

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ZeldaFighter · 12/12/2022 13:58

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/jk-rowling-women-abuse-service-b2243534.htm

I actually expected The Independent to be a little more....Independent!

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NitroNine · 12/12/2022 17:57

I’m just waiting for “Open Democracy” to explain it for us all. Their October article did such a stellar job of explaining How anti-trans activists forced Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre into lockdown after all 🤔🤨
The wee logo at the top means it’s part of their critical and in-depth coverage of gender, sexuality and social justice – worldwide.
Apparently they are working hard to track the international backlash against women's and LGBTIQ rights – and to spotlight stories of feminist resistance to those leading this backlash.

Twitter is far funnier than it should be at the moment as TRAs are having the most almighty tantrums. Unfunny, however, is the ones who are busily being vile about “oh look at how there are these potential security issues with the website”. Keeping it classy there guys, as always. Similarly classy are the innumerable screechy tweets about “genital inspections” being required for admission.

The “this is an evil transphobic plot! POLITICAL MACHINATIONS DICTATE JKR’s TIMING!” [would-be] narrative is much funnier. I mean, in a sort of “laugh rather than cry” way, but a lot of it was coming from the one Twitter user who felt no need to have any knowledge of the customs, culture, history, traditions & laws of Scotland [nor indeed the rest of the UK] before weighing in with faux- naïveté & being repeatedly told Scottish women want - & are legally entitled to - single sex services; rape crisis centres were set up by women & have now been effectively stolen by male persons (inc one who lied about their sex to get a job reserved for female people) so women are simply rebuilding.

Sashohoho · 12/12/2022 17:47

When that landed in my inbox this morning, I felt quite tearful. I liked very much what JKR said and SM in the two paragraphs below.

“It’s the weaponising of trauma, isn’t it? You are told your lived experience is not important. We are literally not permitted to speak about our lived experience. It's ‘too attention-seeking. You're just playing the victim.’ This is actually the language of an abuser.”

The big shock for me has been where the backlash against women’s rights has come from. In the Nineties we read Susan Faludi, who said it would come from the Evangelical Right. But here it has come from the Left’s version of identity politics.

I recall decades ago, when a Scottish friend of mine, came to England with her young son, to go to the newly opened Women's Refuge. I never would have believed a women's refuge being taken over by men who believe they are women and therefore have the right to that place. Women only spaces, always attract attention from men, who believe they have the right to police where women gather.

The analogy with the Gay Rights movement is not comparable. They never invaded women's spaces or wanted to dominate us.

I wonder what Owen Jones has to say about it all.

terryleather · 12/12/2022 17:21

But of course this was going to set off a meltdown...as ever, in the immortal words of Lisa Muggeridge "...their identity is the only thing they can see and they can only see you as a reflection or threat to it."

^^

Rainbowshit · 12/12/2022 17:09

It's astonishing isn't it. TRAs have told us if we want single sex rape services to go and build it ourselves. We do and they scream blue murder.

Just shows that they had no intention of allowing female only services.

hellycat · 12/12/2022 17:06

Flip it the other way. Would any woman in the world object to a charity funding a specific and dedicated support service for transwomen and the 'non-binary'? Charities are independent bodies, they can support who they like.

tobee · 12/12/2022 16:50

FunnyTalks · 12/12/2022 16:40

Surely all the women working at Beira's place and all the women who choose it over services that are "inclusive" are considered mahoosive transphobes? Why would trans activists even want transwomen to go there?

Hmm could it be that they are more MRA than TRA? 🤔

ErrolTheDragon · 12/12/2022 16:48

FunnyTalks · 12/12/2022 16:40

Surely all the women working at Beira's place and all the women who choose it over services that are "inclusive" are considered mahoosive transphobes? Why would trans activists even want transwomen to go there?

I don't suppose they do. They just don't want anything that's only for women to exist. Dogs in the manger.

BedTaker · 12/12/2022 16:47

Sophoclesthefox · 12/12/2022 15:18

I’m embarrassed for her. Imagine being so utterly blinkered and oblivious to how this comes across to anyone who isn’t marinaded in gender identity ideology.

Kate: “Jo Rowling set up a facility for women who’ve been raped because she’s a shitty bigot who hates trans people”.

Normal people: Confused

I was coming on to say that these people seem to no idea how pathetic they look to the outside world.

nilsmousehammer · 12/12/2022 16:42

Sophoclesthefox · 12/12/2022 16:35

TW are not short of services. They do not have an access problem.

Indeed. Though, to be fair, most of the trans focused organisations seem to concentrate their efforts as much on lobbying and “awareness raising” as they do on offering substantive support.

Which is interesting.

It would be an interesting piece of research.

"Once a service has been captured by and become the servant of a political agenda it is no longer able to commit time, focus, objectivity and quality on the service as well as work for the lobby, to the loss of their service users. Discuss.'

FunnyTalks · 12/12/2022 16:40

Surely all the women working at Beira's place and all the women who choose it over services that are "inclusive" are considered mahoosive transphobes? Why would trans activists even want transwomen to go there?

Sophoclesthefox · 12/12/2022 16:35

TW are not short of services. They do not have an access problem.

Indeed. Though, to be fair, most of the trans focused organisations seem to concentrate their efforts as much on lobbying and “awareness raising” as they do on offering substantive support.

Which is interesting.

Hailingfrequenciesopen · 12/12/2022 16:34

ArabellaScott · 12/12/2022 14:19

'The launch of Beira’s Place has been criticised by LGBT+ allies who accused Rowling of “discriminating” against trans women if the service does not accept them.'

Translation:

'The launch of a rape crisis service for women has been criticised by LGBT+ allies who accused Rowling of discriminating against males if the service does not accept them'.

It's disgusting. We can't even have a safe space for a woman who has been attacked by a man without men instantly pressuring it.

Blenheimprincess · 12/12/2022 16:29

I love JKR
Well done

nilsmousehammer · 12/12/2022 16:25

RambamThankyouMam · 12/12/2022 16:17

Maybe one of the very wealthy "women" behind the trans movement (Jennifer Pritzker, Martine whats-his-face, Caitlin Jenner etc) can channel some of their millions into a similar service for transwomen.

TW are not short of services. They do not have an access problem.

curiousbanana · 12/12/2022 16:19

EsmaCannonball · 12/12/2022 15:18

Men are violent to women
Women set up spaces to escape those men
Men claim those spaces are bigoted
Men colonize the spaces
Women are forced to set up new spaces
Women are the villains in all this.

👏👏👏

RambamThankyouMam · 12/12/2022 16:17

Maybe one of the very wealthy "women" behind the trans movement (Jennifer Pritzker, Martine whats-his-face, Caitlin Jenner etc) can channel some of their millions into a similar service for transwomen.

nilsmousehammer · 12/12/2022 16:03

NecessaryScene · 12/12/2022 15:51

The new twist is that they are complaining about the fact that they believe that she should have opened the centre 20 years ago.

Fun being a critical social justice warrior, isn't it? (Or cloaking your hatred under that guise.) You never need to do anything, you can just carp at those who do.

Anyway, were women being told to go away or reframe their trauma by the state-funded services 20 years ago? Must have missed it. This is a direct response to that specific state of affairs, which seems to be quite novel.

I thought we were all told if we didn't want mixed sex services to go and start our own?

Oh yeah we said. The second any woman does, there'll be a meltdown and a target.

And oh look. The list of things we said would happen and have been proven right is now stretching half way to bloody lands end.

nilsmousehammer · 12/12/2022 16:02

One single service for females (excluded in many cases now from the existing services) is discriminatory and awful and hateful and Other Words Too?

I shall play my tiniest violin.

I don't care. I really don't. This is nothing more than sour grapes and misogyny, there is no excuse whatsoever for kicking off about this than pure rage that some females will be able to have their needs met outside of TQ+ political control.

Without having to 'reframe their trauma' and 'have their thinking challenged'.

Just fuck off with that misogynist crap.

But bloody hell Jo has pulled a blinder in getting them to tell the general public what this is really all about.

NecessaryScene · 12/12/2022 15:51

The new twist is that they are complaining about the fact that they believe that she should have opened the centre 20 years ago.

Fun being a critical social justice warrior, isn't it? (Or cloaking your hatred under that guise.) You never need to do anything, you can just carp at those who do.

Anyway, were women being told to go away or reframe their trauma by the state-funded services 20 years ago? Must have missed it. This is a direct response to that specific state of affairs, which seems to be quite novel.

endofthelinefinally · 12/12/2022 15:51

Well isn't it nice that one group of people have the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre all for themselves now? Surely they should be pleased.

Ramblingnamechanger · 12/12/2022 15:44

So pleased to see this being set up. Thank you to JKR and the other women involved. No, not you Midhrul, or Nicola.

Helleofabore · 12/12/2022 15:43

The new twist is that they are complaining about the fact that they believe that she should have opened the centre 20 years ago. And that she is now doing it because she hates a group of the population.

The reality is that Joanne Rowling has always supported women and girls directly. And she is now even more financially in the position to help considering she has recent book sales and movie deals. She can now do more.

And she is .

And she is doing far more than many other celebrities...and they HATE it.

But I really love the thought that it will be the management of this centre that will be right there with the ability to shape policy recommendations for Scotland.

Love that thought....

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/12/2022 15:34

Of course they object.Women meant to be useful to men and have no business meeting, talking, organising, discussing their rape or even undressing without the permission and presence of men.
The new Victorian era for women.

Helleofabore · 12/12/2022 15:30

Just imagine, women having a service of their own. And that the new centre should also then have a legitimate seat at any discussion around the provision of women's trauma care in Scotland. I mean, I could not imagine that the management of the centre would be excluded from any discussion about setting direction regarding VAWAG in Scotland would they?

Bobbins36 · 12/12/2022 15:24

So, Sistah Space- a centre for only POC DV victims to access - is ok but Beira’s Place - a centre for female only victims of violence - is not. Why?

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