Took no time at all - JKR's "discriminatory" service

Will she offer her women's service to men? Funny how they never point out that allowing TW to access a women's refuge is discrimination against all other men who are victims of male violence but who don't say the magic words 'I identify as a woman '.

I actually love this. Any man or handmaiden carping about this is instantly shown up as the misogynist they are. Hilarious.

I've thought this for a long time. If you can beat them, opt out and do it yourself. We need female sports people to be brave and do the same now.

"Does it offer services to trans women who have suffered male violence?” one person asked on Twitter. “If so… Rowling admits trans women are women. If not… she’s discriminating and can be sued.”

Has someone laced their titty skittles with LSD?
No one is going to sue JKR because she could afford to hire ALL the lawyers and barristers, and she could afford to do it on the royalties made from these clowns who used to love her. They use the threat of legal action precisely because it's so expensive that most people can't afford to even start the process.

As we all warned - instead of being pushed into being validation robots, we have simply left the stolen spaces and are starting again.

Thank you JKR ❤️

Well, exactly.

It IS open to trans people and non binary people. Female ones.

Very simple, really.

But it gives the game away if it’s too obvious that the issue is that men are excluded. So critics hide behind the ludicrous figleaf assertion that “trans people” are excluded- women brought into service again, of course…

It is for women. If you’re not a woman, it’s not for you. Get over yourself.

Or maybe they're scared women will realise that yes, actually they are allowed single sex rape support services under the EA exceptions and will expect RCS to provide them in other parts of Scotland?

Officials at Rape Crisis Scotland have called on JK Rowling to open her new women’s refuge to trans and non-binary people

Surely it will be accessible to trans identified females, and non-binary females too, so that comment is redundant, or are they the wrong type of trans/non-binary and therefore don't count?

I’m very interested that Rape Crisis Scotland is calling on Beira to accept Trans & NB people too.

Why?

Thought they had that covered.

Do they fear that too many support humans (aka women) will decamp to the enemy leaving their preferred clients invalidated?

Or do they secretly realise that a lot of women have self excluded from their services & are afraid to find out just how many?

I do wonder what they'll do when the inevitable happens and a TW with a GRC rocks up claiming to be female. Claiming it's logistically impossible to exclude them is the only argument the TRAs have. It relies on a baseline assumption that TW are awful people who won't tell the truth or respect women's boundaries, but then lots of them clearly are. I guess they could simply not say anything but refer them on to trans inclusive services?

Gloriously, though, the Mirror of Erised denies them this most precious of treasures. Over & over & over.

Desires that are impossible to fulfil are the strongest ones.

Officials at Rape Crisis Scotland have called on JK Rowling to open her new women’s refuge to trans and non-binary people, adding that it had been offering rape crisis services to trans women for 15 years and there had “not been a single incident of anyone abusing this”.

How come the Independent's journalism standards have fallen so far that it now conflates refuges (as in, emergency accommodation) and rape counselling provision?

'The...very presence of a sexist man in a rape crisis centre is abuse of the system.'

Quite so, especially one who lied to get his position and has no GRC.

I doubt anyone who lied about having a food hygiene certificate would be allowed to remain working in the ERC kitchen, but hey, special privileges for Speshul ladies, eh.

I see several of us were particularly struck by the same part of the article…

I’ve less than no faith in their claim they’ve had no issues. I mean, it ignores the women who self-exclude because they need a single-sex service, just for a start. Then they’ve made it clear the space is not one in which complaints about TW would - reframe your trauma remember everyone - be entertained. And do they keep track of what happens after people stop engaging with services?

I suppose when you are roaring like an overindulged child being told “no” it’s impossible not to say the quiet parts out loud. Along of everything else.

The self-absorption really does know no bounds - petulant foot-stamping “I want!”
”gimme!” “MIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNEEEEE!!!” (the last, of course, usually comes as they wrest a precious treasure, like Hampstead Women’s Ponds, from the - smaller, weaker [because biology] - female holding it & run away).

Gloriously, though, the Mirror of Erised denies them this most precious of treasures. Over & over & over.

Officials at Rape Crisis Scotland have called on JK Rowling to open her new women’s refuge to trans and non-binary people, adding that it had been offering rape crisis services to trans women for 15 years and there had “not been a single incident of anyone abusing this”.

The the very presence of a sexist man in a rape crisis centre is abuse of the system.

I don't suppose J. K. Rowling will get involved in this kind of nitty-gritty, but personally I'd like to see a total of all the female only places were men are welcome, despite women's objections, compared to this single, solitary place, where they are not.

On the plus side, as a previous poster has said, boy, is this absolutely neon lighting their agenda.

Nasty little twats.

Well, it's not a refuge service, I don't think. I can't imagine women would take their children to rape counselling sessions, on the whole. Unless it's specifically family counselling.

Oh, a new bad-faith take on Twitteroo: but what about an abuses mother who has at least one child who is a boy? Is she not welcome?

Yeah, if he is under 16. Surely.

I'm pretty sure the single sex exemptions in the Equality Act would apply, and the claim would be unsuccessful. And for once, it wouldn't be a woman having to pay to have the law clarified.

Would it even get past the first meeting with a solicitor, considering the EA2010 uses this exact situation as an example of when it's lawful to exclude males?

Officials at Rape Crisis Scotland have called on JK Rowling to open her new women’s refuge to trans and non-binary people, adding that it had been offering rape crisis services to trans women for 15 years and there had “not been a single incident of anyone abusing this”.

I wouldn’t trust RC Scotland at all on this. But it is clear that they don’t even pretend to understand.

They have no idea how many women have self excluded and I don’t believe they have even cared to find out.

Even better, they cannot report Beira to the charity commission either. All those tricks will simply not work. Imagine if this service goes so well that a network of them (probably as charities and not all funded by Joanne) can be opened. It will blow this crap to smithereens.

Imagine, the research that can be sensitively done as well! That will provide the evidence that is now lacking in the form of published statistics.

The anecdotal evidence that seems to have been ignored will become supported by statistics and become a solid block of evidence that will hopefully be used across the world.

What a mean, shitty little article that is. An agenda that can be seen from space, and a very grudging sentence and a half right at the end 'however, some women...' Pah!

Officials at Rape Crisis Scotland have called on JK Rowling to open her new women’s refuge to trans and non-binary people

Officials at Rape Crisis Scotland said what? Are they mad?

The whole point of this is to provide somewhere to meet the unmet need of females needing female only care.

They've got the mixed sex/male focused care covered.

It was predictable that TRAs would scream she's discriminating and she can be sued. But she's predicted the direction that particular backlash would come from. To quote the Google hit for the new service:

Section 212 of the Equality Act 2010 defines a woman as a ‘female of any age’ and Beira’s Place services are for women aged 16 and over. The service is offered in accordance with the Equality Act 2010, which permits the provision of single sex services and a single sex staffing policy in various situations where there’s a good reason for them.

The MRA can throw as many tantrums on Twitter as they want. Single-sex spaces are perfectly legal.

The website for Beira's Place notes that they are a registered company, not a charitable organization. Guess that puts paid to Mermaids setting the Charitable Commission on them. That's if they haven't already been put off by their attack-dog biting their own ankles. Own goal: 0-1.

Has The Times piece on this been linked yet?
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/354015c2-79ea-11ed-8486-22782b7fe87b?shareToken=c94f424435165fb0cfc0c6ff399e6300
I like the way it uses the words 'trans-identified males'. Much easier to understand with that terminology.

If it styles itself as a referral service then all it has to do is put a trans identifying man in touch with one of the many other places that will provide the help they need, no?

"Does it offer services to trans women who have suffered male violence?” one person asked on Twitter. “If so… Rowling admits trans women are women. If not… she’s discriminating and can be sued.”

Hmm, I do think it would be an amazing way to clarify the legal situation if a transwoman - ideally one with a GRC - did sue Beira's Place*.

I'm pretty sure the single sex exemptions in the Equality Act would apply, and the claim would be unsuccessful. And for once, it wouldn't be a woman having to pay to have the law clarified. I can't see how else this question can be tested in court, given that all the services which used to have single sex provision are too scared to do so now, and instead they protect themselves by observing Stonewall fake-law.

* Of course it's awful that any person - of any sex or gender - suffers sexual assault. And sueing a rape crisis service must be horrific, and take enormous courage. I don't wish that on anyone. I feel so much respect for Sarah Summers, who has found the courage to sue Brighton Rape Crisis Centre for refusing her the single sex support group she needed.

Utterly disingenuous article cherry picking a couple of idiotic tweets for clickbait. For shame the Independent and Kate Ng. Hopefully anyone with half a brain everyone will see through this. A wonderful initiative. JKR just keeps getting better and better. You wouldn't have thought it possible because she set the bar pretty high to start with, but she does.