Ministers threaten legal action over Scotland's trans laws

Well, if it's true that Sturgeon and the current comfortable SNP administration don't want independence it doesn't really matter what happens at Westminster. It's all bluster & diversion, anyway.

Sturgeon hasn't got all that much time left as First Minister, most would say. She'll be looking to her next role.

What happens when the current Tory govt. falls - NS can no longer set Westminster up as a bogeyman. Is she trying to force as many issues as she can before the next general election?

Currently:

'If you’ve had your gender previously recognised in one of the countries or territories in this list, you’re on the ‘overseas route’. This means you do not need to provide medical reports when applying for gender recognition in the UK.

If the country or territory is not on this list or you do not have a legal document showing your gender recognition, you’re on the ‘main route’ and must provide additional documents to apply.'

www.gov.uk/government/publications/gender-recognition-certificate-list-of-approved-countries-and-territories/gender-recognition-certificate-list-of-approved-countries-and-territories

List of approved countries and territories:

Australia

Austria

Belgium

Bulgaria

Canada – not including Northwest Territories and Nunavut

Croatia

Cyprus

Czech Republic

Denmark

Estonia

Finland

France

Germany

Greece

Iceland

Italy

Japan

Liechtenstein

Luxembourg

Malta

Mexico City, Mexico

Moldova

Netherlands

New Zealand

Norway

Poland

Romania

Russian Federation

Serbia

Singapore

Slovakia

Slovenia

South Africa

South Korea

Spain

Sweden

Switzerland

Turkey

Ukraine

United States of America – not including Idaho, Ohio, Tennessee and Texas

Uruguay

I seem to remember this being something that was going to be examined as the Bill went through. However, along with many other serious issues, I don't know if it's just been brushed aside; I can't remember seeing any info on what would happen in those instances.

And as Westminster is the UK government, not the Parliament of England

Or do we have to go through all of that blather again, explaining the reality of it all?

Did you not read the link in the OP?

In what way does Scotgov legislation affect the rest of UK on this issue.

I disagree with the changes 100% but still support independence! Majority of Scotland is sick to death of Westminster legislation being forced on Scotland.

Bearing in mind 67% of Scots voted to remain in EU. Scotland has not voted a majority for Conservative since 1955. So, you can see why it's a bit rich to complain about Scotland's legislation affecting UK!!!!

Just take the party element out of it. If your government were going to support self ID, would you vote for them?

Nicola Sturgeon will be gone one day. Her laws will not.

Thatcher's Government was far more right wing than the current lot. If anything the current UK Tories are far too Blairite and 'woke' for their own good.

I agree with @Abccde that the current batch of Tories are extreme right wing.

I'm intrigued... which of their policies would you say are extreme right wing rather than bog standard Conservative?

I don't like Sturgeon but I also don't think some of the comments on this thread are helpful.

Says the person who calls Westminster an 'extreme right wing government'

I agree. The daftness of 'extreme far right' helps nobody.

I don't think she is a good example of democracy in action but 2 wrongs don't make a right.

I don't plan on making excuses for either government. They are both incompetent.

But over 74% of people who voted in the devolution referendum voted yes. I was one of them. I don't like Sturgeon but I also don't think some of the comments on this thread are helpful.

I think the current obsession across both MSM and SM of using words like Humpty leads to some painting themselves into corners.

If the Tories are extreme far right what are [insert fascist, terrorist organisation name here]?

Has there been a new term coined?

I agree with @Abccde that the current batch of Tories are extreme right wing. And I say that as someone who has occasionally voted Tory in the past. Your string of laughing faces makes me think tolerance for right wing politics is becoming scarily normalised in the UK.

Ah! Well, I think Sturgeon us giving them good run for her money right now. With her absolutism, mandated votes, and habit of sticking her fingers in her ears, Ising her eyes and singing la la la la whenever someone with an alternative view, research, evidence hoves into view.

How does it work with GRCs in other countries that have introduced self ID, if the holders come to this country? Does anyone know? And could someone move to the Republic of Ireland or.....Iceland(?), get a GRC then move back?

The current Tory party is the most extremist of all the UK governing parties, in my opinion.

I think some of the decisions that have been made by the UK goverment over the last few years and the disregard for democracy has been extreme. Much of that has been driven by lies and not reality. I don't believe that to be Huperbole. You may think so but I really don't give a fuck.

I can’t find this either. I suspect the poster is confusing Kate Forbes with Meghan Gallacher

The rest of the UK should refuse to accept these certificates. And change the Equality Act to remove any ambiguity on sex versus gender.

And then NHS Scotland and the Scottish Government should be given legal responsibility for all and any litigation cost from these changes and no access to other public services in the UK on the basis of assumed gender.

Forget about Scottish independence for a second, because if Scotland keep choosing the SNP to lead them then the rest of the UK needs to do something else fast. Waiting for the SNP to stop aggravating Westminster is pointless

And true. All that sodding hyperbole.

Extreme right wing? Get a reality check...😃

@Abccde "an extreme right wing government" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Big leap. I said Westminster, not Tory.

Where? I can't find this. Can you link? If so, this would be huge!!