BBC: UK govt may not recognise a proposed new system in Scotland to allow people to legally change their gender, and hasn't ruled out a legal challenge

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ResisterRex · 08/12/2022 18:32

From the BBC's political correspondent

twitter.com/bbcdavidwl/status/1600898263330144258?s=46&t=rzUbh4c1nyeBtlrZx733bg

"EXC: UK govt may not recognise a proposed new system in Scotland to allow people to legally change their gender. They're also not ruling out a legal challenge.

This could could hugely complicate matters for anyone changing gender in Scotland and then moving elsewhere in UK (1/5)

New process in Scotland will make easier to obtain a gender recognition certificate. UK Gov source said "absolutely" possible rest of UK won't recognise Scot certificates

Source said it's "test case scenario" of how Holyrood bill could "undermine Westminster competencies". 2/5

Same source told me that Scottish ministers wanted to paint Scotland as a "haven of inclusivity" in comparison to a "nasty Westminster".

Kemi Badenoch (equalities minister) has written to Scot Gov expressing concerns about bill 3/5

Scot Gov spokes said Ms Badenoch was responding to letter sent by Scot Gov in Oct "setting out relevant policy considerations for the UK Government, undertaking to work constructively on cross-border issues, and offering to meet."

Scot Gov say happy to meet Ms Badenoch 4/5

This legislation looks set to be passed by MSPs this month.

It's been controversial in Scotland, and looks like some of that controversy could shortly spill over into cross-border issues. 5/5"

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HatThatWearsYou · 08/12/2022 19:14

it effectively forces devolved Scottish law on the rest of the UK.

Do we think this is one of the reasons Nicola Sturgeon is so rabid for it? Gets her a foot in the door for Scottish independence?

RealFeminist · 08/12/2022 19:13

WE WOUD JIST NEED A TRANS-BORDER AT GRETNA

LangClegsInSpace · 08/12/2022 19:09

UK govt may not recognise a proposed new system in Scotland to allow people to legally change their gender.

I'm wondering how this would work in practice. The only use for a GRC is to use it to apply for a falsified birth certificate (+ marriage or civil partnership certificate where applicable).

If someone was born / married in England then the UK govt could refuse the application for the falsified certificate.

But if they were born / married in Scotland then they would presumably just be issued with the new certificates anyway and it's difficult to see what the UK government could do about that.

As they say, this would "undermine Westminster competencies" because it effectively forces devolved Scottish law on the rest of the UK.

IcakethereforeIam · 08/12/2022 18:59

I don't believe there's been any clarity about how long someone has to have been resident in Scotland to become eligible for some birth certificate jiggery pokery. Nothing about the wider implications for the rest of the UK.

Untitledsquatboulder · 08/12/2022 18:38

I don't know what all this changing "gender" is about. The Scottish Government want to legislate that people can change sex by wishing it.

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