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Kucingsparkles · 06/12/2022 15:14

This is an experimental thread, all input much appreciated!

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions, grr"- that sort of thing).

Right, bring on the flames or flowers! <cowers>

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BlackRookInRainyWeather · 06/12/2022 16:45

I am here for this thread. I am new and keen to read and maybe even participate in a meandering discussion.

I bring this:
unherd.com/thepost/goodbye-eddie-izzard-and-good-riddance/

Joan Smith is a great voice on these issues.

Kucingsparkles · 06/12/2022 16:40

Really interesting thoughts FOJN - it's exactly that kind of common theme that often occurs to me.

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StephanieSuperpowers · 06/12/2022 16:28

I suppose banning women from writing about these thing in prominent newspapers means that nobody will really know about it, because it's not likely that men will be overly bothered.

duc748 · 06/12/2022 16:25

I was just reading the biological sex in sport thread on US rowing. I see Kuc is already on the case. My first thought was that the hypocrisy was laughable, but it's no joke really, is it? The dishonesty is so transparent.

FOJN · 06/12/2022 16:19

Oh and it occured to me that women usually only have a law named after them after a man has murdered them. What a damning indictment of how much it takes for women to be taken seriously.

StephanieSuperpowers · 06/12/2022 16:13

Yeah, it's incredible the extent to which, even after all these decades of progress that women have made, we're much more unreliable witnesses than men.

MissLawls · 06/12/2022 16:10

Hello shiny new thread. I am subscribing!

Even the primogeniture clause is the GRA assumes women will use the to act to deceive and gain financial advantage over their male siblings, this clause was felt necessary despite it applying to a tiny number of the population, and yet we keep being told that male predators would never abuse self ID despite evidence that predators will capitalise on any loophole which provides them with opportunity.

This makes me furious too! As I understand it, under the GRA, women cannot join private men-only clubs but transwomen can remain members. Transmen cannot inherit titles so the act does not recognise transmen as men. This is bit one-sided is it not!? In whose interest was this act lobbied for and passed!?

FOJN · 06/12/2022 16:00

Great idea for a thread.

I've been listening to lots of true crime podcasts recently, quite a few which deal with stalking. There seems to be a pattern where by the threshold for credibility for female victims seems to be much higher than that of male victims or perpetrators.

Our laws, policing and judiciary seem at odds with real world experience.

For example: female victims of stalking told there is nothing the police could do as there is no proof their stalker was responsible for X incident of harassment but the police have done no investigation just assumed it will be too difficult to prove and so dismiss the complaint. The woman ends up murdered.

A woman commits a truly heinous crime and her sentence seems much longer than that of male perpetrators who commit similar crimes. In one case a woman commited a single premeditated murder and received a 30 year sentence and yet a man killed his wife and 2 children and received a 25 year sentence. The murders of the two children were premeditated as he had picked them up from school after he had murdered his wife, he drugged the children before strangling them.

Male offenders who have a long criminal history of violent (including murder) and sexual offences but are released from prison early despite warnings they are likely to offend again. We only know this because they have offended again, the offences are often an escalation of previous behaviour.

I have learned about many similar examples which is why I describe it as a pattern.

Even the primogeniture clause is the GRA assumes women will use the to act to deceive and gain financial advantage over their male siblings, this clause was felt necessary despite it applying to a tiny number of the population, and yet we keep being told that male predators would never abuse self ID despite evidence that predators will capitalise on any loophole which provides them with opportunity.

I haven't thought any further than this at the moment.

StephanieSuperpowers · 06/12/2022 15:43

Lovely. It'll also be nice to explore the common threads between other threads without messing them all up.

CyanCyan · 06/12/2022 15:41

Flowers and Gin from me.

HatThatWearsYou · 06/12/2022 15:33

I think this is a really interesting idea for a thread, I was reading some posts the other night and came across an interesting bit about cults and tribalism that got me thinking but I didn't want to derail the thread with my thinking out loud.

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