Women's rights general conversations

Yet another goady fucking man, here to rile up the feminists I think.

You worded that well HatThatWearsYou.

Un-fucking-believable how you come onto a Feminist Board @TassLeHoff with your dismissive, blase attitude towards prostitution and then compound it by mansplaining to us what it's all about.

And you have the gall to think you are one of the 'good' guys.

You think prostitution is empowering sex work? Why don't you have a go at it?

Rather than typing on a feminist board, making excuses for sex buyers and hoping that users here will grant you absolution, I suggest you do something to atone instead. Put Rachel Moran's powerful comment into practice. There are a number of projects and charities that help women to exit prostitution, and/or provide support services to women in prostitution. I've spent £100 this week on purchasing required items for my local service, and I've never even considered paying a woman to serve me sexually.

Yours,

The Neighbour Watch

No it's not complicated at all, no women who is a prostitute is ever really safe. You are disgusting.

Do you realise that women’s bodies being exploited for money is not complicated at all?

It doesn’t matter how much money they are making. It is financial coercion!!!

I suspect the number of ‘happy hookers’ are miniscule compared to what you imagine it is.

Coercion is coercion. It doesn’t matter if it is big bucks or small bucks. Or any other fucking power source.

Patronising, dismissive, dick-centring bullshit. How fucking dare you.

And these young women seem frequently unaware of the very real immediate dangers and pitfalls of doing webcam or only fans.

Not only the chances of it throwing a grenade into your life (I saw a recent case where a teacher in the news who's only fans was found by her teenage students and passed around the school), but the danger to your person as well. I bet a lot of these women wouldn't be that hard to track down IRL if the men are tech savvy and determined which is really scary to think about.

How dare you?

Have you ever known any sex workers of any stripe?

Of course there is abuse, but there are also women who can earn far more than you and I in a safe environment through choice

It is complicated

It’s OnlyFans and webcams as well now. ProstitutionLite. It’s as if it’s an entitlement. The whole thing disgusts me and to be honest I struggle to imagine being in another relationship.

Exactly @Helleofabore

I absolutely agree. And I absolutely understand.

Not only that, but the simple desperation of hoping to have some fucked up punter use your body for sex so you can get paid and hoping that that punter doesn’t use you as a punching or stabbing bag. And the list absolutely goes on and on.

Yes, I was thinking reading it that this person embodies the "nice guy" trope. Incel vibes.

And it would be awful enough if it was just that! Everything else that they go through is just horrific.

I think the thing that has really struck me is the centering of himself as some kind of tragic hero in the whole story. It's like a perfect little microcosm of how misogyny and men as the central character/only real humans is just a default way of thinking.

Oops cross posted with *CyanCyan

What wouldn’t be awful about having to accept someone else’s body parts inside any of your body’s orifices to earn a living ?

www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/4638679-reasons-never-to-go-into-prostitution-the-horrors-of-it-and-ukpunting-rant

This one?

Ah here it is www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/4638679-reasons-never-to-go-into-prostitution-the-horrors-of-it-and-ukpunting-rant?reply=120166235

I don’t think the OP would mind me sharing here but if it’s against the rules please ask Mumsnet to remove.

I'm aghast that anyone is on here discussing their history of paying for women's bodies so casually.

Did you mistake the feminist board for 'punters anonymous' or something.

Paying women for sex is gross behaviour. Shame on you.

Maybe it is for them, maybe they're happy to show their arsehole off for money

I wonder if they really are happy.

I think maybe mental health issues, or boundary issues, past abuse, desperate need of money or need to convince themselves and need to ignore the harm it's really causing them etc could easily be reasons some women say they feel "happy" with doing only fans but I'm not sure they really are.

I remember surviving on welfare as a teenager putting myself through secondary school and thinking that working on reception at a brothel might be ok, or taking that topless bar maid job. Luckily, I had friends who questioned me hard about this and made me understand that it is never ‘easy’ fucking money.

Never.

There was a very eye-opening thread on Relationships recently from a woman who works as a prostitute sharing her experiences. Unfortunately I’m struggling to find it. Suffice it say it sounded awful.

Yes. ‘Sex work’, egg donation and surrogacy.

All exploitative of female bodies.

All currently being sold by some as being ‘empowering’ if it gives girls and women independence.

What the actual fuck!!

That is powerful and despite coming from poverty I've never really thought about it in that way. I was lucky because I wasn't out on my own; she is beyond strong to have not given in to it. Not happy with that wording but it would have been far easier to "sell" sex than not and she just didn't. No disrespect to the women who did "sell" sex because I think I'd have been one of them. The fear of violence and being on the streets would have made me feel I had no choice. Certainly, when you read this you can't see selling sex as anything like a real choice, to some it's just the least bad thing.

Further on there are some people talking about the women who do Only Fans and say sex work is work. Maybe it is for them, maybe they're happy to show their arsehole off for money and fair play to them but my god it's a horrible hellish experience for most women and just rape where a few quid changes hands and where most of that money will go to some pimp or other.

Still, all that said, men do have a right to have sex ... extreme sarcasm alert.