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Kucingsparkles · 06/12/2022 15:14

This is an experimental thread, all input much appreciated!

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions, grr"- that sort of thing).

Right, bring on the flames or flowers! <cowers>

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IReallyLikeCrows · 13/12/2022 18:42

I think I might throw myself to the wolves, Mavis and say a woman is someone who is born female. And then my career would be over.

duc748 · 13/12/2022 18:32

Someone with XX chromosomes, Mavis?

ErrolTheDragon · 13/12/2022 18:25

SinnerBoy · 13/12/2022 18:01

Oh dear, it's a blow for Scotland, as a judge has ruled that men are now allowed to sit on boards, in women's roles:

www.theguardian.com/society/2022/dec/13/trans-women-can-take-seats-on-public-boards-set-aside-for-women-scottish-judge-rules

Scotland’s highest court has ruled that transgender women should be included in legislation aimed at improving gender balance on public boards. The court of session found that Scottish government guidance that extends the definition of “woman” to transgender women with a gender recognition certificate (GRC) is lawful.

Men and non men, essentially. Same old, same old.

MavisMcMinty · 13/12/2022 18:24

I would like to ask you all: What should a politician say when asked “what is a woman”? Is there an answer acceptable to all? Or is it impossible to avoid offending one side or another? I know it’s a question asked to put them on the spot and/or trip them up, so if I were a politician I’d want an answer ready to go.

duc748 · 13/12/2022 18:22

Nora Ephron always struck me as a GBOL. Smart, and funny too.

But Jeez, Reading the piece below in that link: say a man cannot be a mother or a lesbian in Norway, and you're looking at a 3 year stretch? WTAF?

I suppose the only good thing is, like the increasingly untenable position of the Scottish government, these clashes will somehow bring matters to a head, and force some changes?

SinnerBoy · 13/12/2022 18:01

Oh dear, it's a blow for Scotland, as a judge has ruled that men are now allowed to sit on boards, in women's roles:

www.theguardian.com/society/2022/dec/13/trans-women-can-take-seats-on-public-boards-set-aside-for-women-scottish-judge-rules

Scotland’s highest court has ruled that transgender women should be included in legislation aimed at improving gender balance on public boards. The court of session found that Scottish government guidance that extends the definition of “woman” to transgender women with a gender recognition certificate (GRC) is lawful.

Plasticfreefantastic · 13/12/2022 17:43

PoppySeedBagelRedux · 13/12/2022 06:08

Talking of Jan Morris (who sounds appalling) this is an interesting blast from the past:

twitter.com/treesey/status/1601958265784508416?s=61&t=ZX-vw5BsznIagUGQgif30A

I'm getting Dylan vibes now. Excellent work by Nora Ephron RIP.

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Kucingsparkles · 13/12/2022 17:12

Well, the main thing the FWS ruling has clarified is that the law is a muddled mess, which is what happens when "language evolves..." Confused Infuriating, and yet somehow not surprising.

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Tricyrtis2022 · 13/12/2022 14:43

It was Jo Swinson who peaked me back then, I thought my brain was going to explode.

ErrolTheDragon · 13/12/2022 13:55

Sounds painful.

Sashohoho · 13/12/2022 13:53

Oops, wrong thread.

Sashohoho · 13/12/2022 13:52

P.S, I also have loads of piles, a desk top full of them. Dreadful. I blame the size of the place.

Winterborne74 · 13/12/2022 13:48

Dedicated thread on the FWS ruling.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4671123-for-women-scotland-judicial-review-2

Winterborne74 · 13/12/2022 13:45

Yep - btw, has everyone seen this? Even if Public Boards in Scotland are made up of 100% male people, that's OK as long as some of them identify as women..

www.thenational.scot/news/23188087.women-scotland-lose-legal-case-definition-woman/

Reminds me of my favourite bit of nonsense on representation from Jo Swinson

Actually, Swinson has personal experience of the strange distortions of gender identity applied to sex inequality. Writing in Equal Power about her time working at Viking FM in the 2000s and how male-dominated radio is, she says: “In fact the gender balance was slightly better than we knew at the time, as our anchor breakfast presenter was Stephanie Hirst, at the time known as Simon.”

unherd.com/2019/12/jo-swinsons-feminist-credentials-are-a-joke/

Britinme · 13/12/2022 13:19

PoppySeedBagelRedux · 13/12/2022 06:08

Talking of Jan Morris (who sounds appalling) this is an interesting blast from the past:

twitter.com/treesey/status/1601958265784508416?s=61&t=ZX-vw5BsznIagUGQgif30A

That is a brilliant piece by Nora Ephron and encapsulates perfectly the things I feel about the performative nature of being trans for many as far as I can see.

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 13/12/2022 12:17

Did anyone else who uses Twitter notice one of the paid promotion Tweets ('things you don't know about Japan' or some such) featuring an upskirt photograph of a young woman/girl in school uniform and white underpants?
It was there for a few days, not sure whether it's still up or not. It seemed very creepy on mainstream feeds.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 13/12/2022 11:42

Thank you. It must have been that but I remember it in colour!

nauticant · 13/12/2022 11:29

News from Sinfest from last week:

I got kicked off of Patreon so please support me at one of these platforms:
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sinfest.xyz/news.php

NecessaryScene · 13/12/2022 11:24

One of these, perhaps?

Tatsuya Ishida, Sinfest. I'm sure he has others on the same theme from other dates.

sinfest.xyz/view.php?date=2022-06-11
sinfest.xyz/view.php?date=2022-06-14

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 13/12/2022 11:19

I'm looking for an old thread that had cartoons in it and one included a strip where a young girl was the main protagonist. We saw her confronting sparkly gender ideology and having to choose between that and despised womanhood.

Does anyone know the thread or the cartoonist?

Dotellhimpike · 13/12/2022 09:21

Not without including trans identifying men prominently at the front of the line, and having the victim aknowledge and thank them for their kindness.

SqueakyDinosaur · 13/12/2022 09:16

I was thinking a couple of days ago (no, really, it doesn't happen often...) about the scene in Grey's Anatomy where the women of the hospital line the corridor to protect/honour a rape victim on her way to surgery, barring the area to all men. You couldn't make that scene now, could you?

PoppySeedBagelRedux · 13/12/2022 06:08

Talking of Jan Morris (who sounds appalling) this is an interesting blast from the past:

twitter.com/treesey/status/1601958265784508416?s=61&t=ZX-vw5BsznIagUGQgif30A

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 12/12/2022 23:39

The Jan Morris story also made me think of the Old Place. A poster there said several things along the lines of: 'I bet you wouldn't tell Jan Morris she wasn't a woman'.

I never commented because I wasn't sure what the point of that line of argument was, and I had only a vague idea of who JM was.

I wonder if he's still as keen on holding up that particular paragon of womanhood as an example?

duc748 · 12/12/2022 21:29

@DameMaud

A sense of proportion is always important! 😁

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