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The WI non-members questionnaire: quick and easy to make your point

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pattihews · 02/12/2022 20:52

The WI is concerned that numbers are falling and fewer and fewer women are signing up. It doesn't seem to have occurred to them that women aren't keen on so-called women's organisations that accept men. Quick, easy and loads of room to say what you want.

womensinstitute.surveysparrow.com/s/wi-non-member-survey-for-women-who-are-not-wi-members/tt-xwsByTfSPd3Jomcuza74KF?

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GloGirl · 13/12/2022 22:51

MsGrumpytrousers · 13/12/2022 22:09

I did the same: checked the box expecting to be asked for contact details, and nothing. It's been designed by someone who didn't know what they were doing.

The WI in a nutshell!

MsGrumpytrousers · 13/12/2022 22:09

ChristmasCrackler · 03/12/2022 12:37

I did. Except they didn't ask for my email.

I did the same: checked the box expecting to be asked for contact details, and nothing. It's been designed by someone who didn't know what they were doing.

Helleofabore · 13/12/2022 21:40

saraclara · 06/12/2022 00:00

It's not as if any of you would have joined anyway. So their trans position has nothing at all to do with you not joining, making the whole questionnaire entirely useless.

I think that you clearly have your own prejudices to deal with. I have been interested in what the WI do and seeking them out.

But you do you.

KCandtheSunlightBand · 13/12/2022 20:15

saraclara · 06/12/2022 00:00
It's not as if any of you would have joined anyway. So their trans position has nothing at all to do with you not joining, making the whole questionnaire entirely useless.

Actually, I used to be a member, and loved it. However when it became apparent that it was a mixed sex organisation I didn’t renew my membership and won’t do so until they make it women only. It’s kind of their USP!

Swashbuckled · 13/12/2022 20:01

Did it again so I could make some different points.

Swashbuckled · 13/12/2022 19:52

I filled it in.

Just contemplating doing it again...

RubyTrees · 13/12/2022 19:45

Theeyeballsinthesky · 02/12/2022 21:12

I very much enjoyed telling them that I wouldn’t join as long as they accepted men who identify as women as members. I note the last page happily tells you they include transgender women 🤦🏻‍♀️

I did exactly the same.

thelionthewitchtheaudacityofTHISbitch · 13/12/2022 18:39

woopdedoodle · 04/12/2022 10:26

I've been a member of mixed sex groups and single sexed groups. They are different, there is a different feel.
So it's simple what am I joining, I want to know. I've mixed with and been friends with transwomen in the past , and what ever surgery they'd had and what ever they wore, their minds and thought process, were 100% male .

^^ - this is the key part - the continuing to think like a man. And yes I know there are spectrums - not everyone thinks in the same way etc but women and men really do often approach things differently.

yoshiblue · 09/12/2022 19:27

Thanks for sharing off to do this now!!!

OchonAgusOchonOh · 09/12/2022 19:21

NitroNine · 09/12/2022 19:09

@OchonAgusOchonOh
We’d encounter them on the patient side sometimes - though that makes it sound a bit as if they’d be skulking in dark corners waiting to leap out on patients; which is rather more exciting than them merely being visible/present in GP surgery receptions & some bits of hospitals 😂🤣😂

Oh now, if you’re in a university you can probably find anything if you pick the right press. I mean, CS Lewis found Narnia kicking about in one at Magdalen (not, of course, to be confused with Magdalene) 😉

😅

NitroNine · 09/12/2022 19:09

@OchonAgusOchonOh
We’d encounter them on the patient side sometimes - though that makes it sound a bit as if they’d be skulking in dark corners waiting to leap out on patients; which is rather more exciting than them merely being visible/present in GP surgery receptions & some bits of hospitals 😂🤣😂

Oh now, if you’re in a university you can probably find anything if you pick the right press. I mean, CS Lewis found Narnia kicking about in one at Magdalen (not, of course, to be confused with Magdalene) 😉

OchonAgusOchonOh · 09/12/2022 17:19

@NitroNine I'm not in the HSE. I work in a university and I bet if I rummaged hard enough, I'd find one in a press somewhere.

NitroNine · 09/12/2022 15:31

@OchonAgusOchonOh

That’s the HSE being all ✨fancy✨ for you - not like the NHS still using them almost 3 years past the point it was to be fax-free 🙄 (I think I’ve found where the pronoun-badge money’s come from lads…)

(Although saying that, the HSE aren’t averse to the odd fax themselves.)

OchonAgusOchonOh · 09/12/2022 09:41

NitroNine · 09/12/2022 03:40

Faxing?! That’d be TAKING. Jaysus.

I was wondering. Haven't seen one of them in decades.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 09/12/2022 08:22

I'm not - yet - target audience, but my mum is. She looked into it and was undecided (thought it might be a bit dull and already does various specific crafting groups that interest her) and when she was chatting to me about it I brought up their trans policy. There was a tut and an eye roll (isn't that what we're meant to do if we encounter an unexpected penis in the changing area?!) and the next time I was at her house the leaflet was in the recycling pile.

knittingaddict · 09/12/2022 07:32

Validation and kicks.

FunctionalSkills · 09/12/2022 07:27

My gran passed recently and I have lovely memories of her and the WI in her village.

I think most of the women in her group didn't work/volunteered though so perhaps had time for that / church flower arranging/ other truly lovely arts and crafts and bakery.

I would love to go when the kids are older just to follow in her footsteps. But not of transmen are admitted.

Do transwomen want to join lots of women only spaces? Is that part of the validation. Or is it more the political side.

knittingaddict · 09/12/2022 06:50

I'm their target audience too and love cooking and crafts, so pretty much a WI stereotype. My knitting group died (not literally) during covid lockdown, so I'm in the market for another outlet and have investigated local WIs in the past.

I can't join while they are TWAW and welcome men into their ranks. In all honesty I would rather they went mixed sex than their current stance. I would be more uncomfortable with the type of man who gets his kicks from invading women's spaces in this underhand way than I would an actual man.

I agree with some other posts on here that the WI is dying for many more reasons than their allowing transwomen to join. This issue is just the nail in the coffin, but an important principle to fight them on nevertheless.

I also don't think this survey will make one iota of difference. How on earth can they backtrack on this? The publicity and outrage from certain groups would be more than the WI could stand. It's still worth telling them straight, but I'm not holding my breath.

NitroNine · 09/12/2022 03:40

Faxing?! That’d be TAKING. Jaysus.

NitroNine · 09/12/2022 03:39

@OchonAgusOchonOh
Not as Catholic as they used to be - they’re now open to non-Catholics - but I think still have a strong Catholic influence. Beyond their Brownie section being named for St Brigid I mean 😁

Indeed, on faxing a wee look, if you check the info page on Brigíni the Brigín Principles, in particular, are Very Catholic Indeed; & the Guide page practically has incense wafting off it…

GreyCarpet · 07/12/2022 19:41

That was satisfying.

Resisterance · 07/12/2022 10:01

Submitted and written in every Other section of each question

Giggorata · 07/12/2022 09:40

I'm another one who would have been a potential WI member, had they not decided to admit men in dresses.
Not a chance now, as I have told them in the survey.

Ofcourseshecan · 07/12/2022 09:13

wildseas · 02/12/2022 23:00

Done.

ive explained that if I were to join a mixed sex organisation I would want that to include everyone. That if I were to join a women’s group I would want it to include women only, feels quite basic but clearly they’re struggling......

Same here. I’m happy to join a mixed-sex group or a women-only group. I just don’t want males in the women’s group. Can’t see what’s so difficult about understanding that.

wherearethescissors · 07/12/2022 09:04

I have just moved to a new area and was keen to join WI. I can't now. It goes against dhs beliefs even more than mine. Am actually really disappointed.