So that's why Susie Green left

I listened to this recently.

A Mormon dude (former Mormon? He’s v critical of the LDS church but I can’t figure out if he’s critiquing from within or after leaving!) talks a detransitioned woman through a questionnaire that seeks to answer the question ‘Is my group culty?’

It’s 3 parts and approx 6 hours in total.

There is a short clip here, I picked this one because it’s specifically about demands for purity

The questionnaire is here:

isitculty.com

Video is about gender ideology generally but Mermaids exists within/feeds that ideology so lots of it is relevant.

Yes. As a parent, you can't quite believe what you're hearing and seeing. It's impossible to imagine doing this to your own son.

Yes.

And this is why I can't revel Green going and the CC investigating too much.

Because of the fallout on a group who have been conditioned to believe they must have access to hormones and surgery and how you have vultures like the Webberleys also touting for business in the midst of this.

There are no good outcomes until it starts being recognised what's been happening.

Quite the ratio: archive.ph/AY9Qx

Even if we believe in trans kids and doing the best for them, the suicide narrative is very much central to Mermaids so that HAS to be addressed because of potential the implications of it.

this bit from Reds post. Just like in a cult it wouldn't be to hard to persuade the most devoted to the leader to prove to the wider population that what they say is true about the rates and if not affirmed this is what they will be forced to do. Takes drinking the kool aid to a whole new level.

Let me know if she appears I'll no doubt be up for a pee every hour as usual. She's not usually gone for this long. Do we report her to HQ and ask them to do a welfare check?

I was feeling quite kindly to Pie the other day, on a different thread she seemed to backtrack a little. Baby steps but....

Hope she's okay.

(I say 'she' coz MN but )

Or should I say, the disfunctionality, which is now being widely recognised in the media, by the MP who is the Undersecretary for Safeguarding and the Charity Commission.

We KNOW there is a problem with how Mermaids is running. I don't think at this point with multiple safeguarding fails there is any doubt about there being a mismanagement issue.

The mismanagement issue is manifesting in a way which is extreme and the last campaign they ran was literally a Them V Us one in terms of being under attack. Thats a classic feature.

I don't think this now remains a controversial opinion to hold. Its one which begs for investigation and discussion.

@ArabellaScott beautiful response from one tweeter to cashman : "the call is coming from inside the house," with a link to the second telegraph article attached.

ha ha ha ha ha.

Oh today has been a good day, I've achieved Bugger all of the things i was meant to be doing, but it's been worth it.

I have a snoring cat on me. I think that's my cue to put the tablet away.

I'm missing Pie.

Has anyone checked on Marge? Normally they’ve plopped in and plopped off again by now. Does she need a dose of smelling salts?

I am REALLY trying to be careful with this and to carefully explain WHY this is relevant and should be discussed and talked about.

I know posts have been deleted on this previously, which is why I'm trying to qualify it as best I can and to put it into context.

We have a group(s) which very much fit with the most at risk of being recruited into a cult - who often COULD be called some of the most vulnerable - and that should be recognised as part of this.

We know cults are highly related to identity.

And we know suicide is a reoccuring theme of cults.

We know how they operate and often reject the law in the process of that. We know how they create them and us narratives. We know how they try to drive family and friend alienation to keep people in. We know they are focused on the purity of an ideology.

We HAVE to see whats happened in this way.

It COULD very much explain why we've got a massive explosion ESPECIALLY in teenage girls which NO ONE has an explanation for. Not even Mermaids.

Even if we believe in trans kids and doing the best for them, the suicide narrative is very much central to Mermaids so that HAS to be addressed because of potential the implications of it.

And even if all my posts here do get deleted, the point isn't going away. It WILL start to get discussed even if MN won't allow it. I sincerely hope they have the good sense to recognise that I'm not trying to smear anyone, I'm trying to highlight the functionality of the group.

@MoirasSaggyBundles it's a franchised cult each branch uses the Trademark branding has to promote the corporate aim through rote phrases but as long as the balance in the bank it's in profit and membership numbers increase how they achieve that goal is fairly franchise owner orientated.

Very interesting, @RedToothBrush I'm glad we can use the C word now on MN. I too have written about the cultish aspect of the gender movement in the past and been deleted. One thing that struck me about the Leah Remini series on a well known Hollywood cult was her repeated assertion that it is charitable status that allowed them to get away with what they get away with. And the way they got this status is allegedly through a campaign of personal harassment of law makers and charity commissioners. They have tiny numbers of followers but immense wealth and an outsized amount of power and influence.

Megyn Kelly had a cult expert on her show the other day - he went through all the common hallmarks shared by different cults, but IIRC, fell short of declaring that social justice movements are cults because there is no obvious leader/figurehead. I didn't agree with him on this, because I think these movements are based on collective narcissism and turning yourself into the god of your own mini cult within the cult, IYSWIM. I'll see if I can find a link, as it was an interesting discussion.

They all label dissenters as suppressives and wage harassment campaigns against them. They all seek to separate people from their family and promise a new and uncritical/endlessly supportive family. They all require a belief in the unbelievable. They all make their followers believe that what they are doing as an org is the most important thing in the world. They all have an ideation of death in one form or other.

Plus its hard to deny when Red has laid out the points so well

People need to start repeating the point on twitter.

Its no good just telling the CC. The message has to get OUT THERE so people start asking questions across the board.

You deprogramme by encouraging a thought process.

Get people asking the right questions. Get people THINKING about whats happened.

Well it's not like the TRA s are out in force policing our every thought.😁I'm missing Pie.

@RedToothBrush is MN letting your posts stay up? They definitely should, you've evidenced them and they're in context. I also hope you bring them to the attention of the CC. As you say, it isn't hindsight.

Please tell me @RedToothBrush that you will be very shortly sending this to the CC as a proper valid concern when they look at mermaids.

Thank you your posts have been very ILLUMINATING

I am convinced of it at this point.

If / when there is a public inquiry, I hope everyone screams this at those leading it.

My big fear is we are going to see some really awful stuff happen if Mermaids does go down, if its not handled with this in mind.

Whole families - and the kids in particular - will continue to need support and to understand what has happened and its not necessarily anything to do with gender.

The high turnovers of trustees served to reduce the ability and willingness of trustees to do their actual job.

Instead it looks like they did it to get a nice little line on their CVs rather than to be remotely interested in the responsibility of being a trustee.

@RedToothBrush Fuck me!

Obviously not literally.

They really are one aren't they!

On trustee turnover, many charities limit the number of terms a trustee can stay in role, which means there can naturally be high level of turnover all at once. It's not ideal and something boards should mitigate against but it does happen and isn't necessarily sinister.

The more I read about this the less happy I am. The CC is bound to investigate if certain conditions are met. It is entirely possible staff have felt MM isn't achieving its charitable objectives by not being active/TRA-y enough.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3091727-At-a-19yr-Old-Transwoman-being-elected-a-Labour-woman-s-officer?page=17&reply=73523347

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3094498-to-not-really-know-what-cis-means?page=8&reply=73567787

I have been talking about the political cult element of this shit since November 2017.

Thats FIVE years ago.

I was enjoying another MN AIBU thread the last few days, "Light hearted - who would you like a special place in hell reserved for?"

I'm not going to add this as it would ruin the requested 'lighthearted' spirit, but here's one agnostic who is hoping there's a sot reserved for SG (not lighthearted). If you've harmed your child, you can't fix it by doubling down and harming more children.

Archiving right now - he might live to regret that nonsense...!