So that's why Susie Green left

There was an interesting blog about a parent who had enabled her child.

pitt.substack.com/p/true-believer

In short, lesbian parents very enmeshed in the queer community/ethos.

Children raised as gender neutral. When child asked aged 3 if they were a boy or girl, told they can choose.

Child (male) "chose" to be a girl. Decision made that child is trans.

Second child later also identifies as trans.

Penny finally drops that rather than giving their child a "choice" they have been responsible for withholding his identity (as a male) from him and introducing concepts a young child is incapable of navigating. All cheered on by their social circle.

"This experience for me has felt like leaving a cult, a cult that would have me sacrifice my child to the gods of gender ideology, in the name of social justice and collective liberation. I have left this cult, and I am never turning back."

But that binder advice would be about medical best practice, and conservative minimising of intervention. I think a lot of gender ideology is about actively going in the opposite direction from that and using things like binders as a symbol of membership of a special group. The idea of it being sent to you in secret probably makes it even more appealing. It’s part of the grooming-style “we understand you, your fuddy-duddy old bigot parents don’t”. It would detract from all that and make them seem more to say “actually they’re not very healthy”.

And as for 3 on your list in your post, imagine if it was sex: 15 year old girls are , likely, given the chance, to sleep with 25 year old men, so well it would be better if we set them up with a friend of ours and book them a hotel room!

@Birdsweepsin The binder thing I don't get. It would have been just as easy for Mermaids to go down the we know they cause you distress but in order for your top surgery to be as successful as possible we wouldn't advise you to bind. And a lot of the kids would have listened to them.

When the "breast-binders in the post, don't tell your parents" thing came out, there were three separate TRA responses

1. They are perfectly safe and legal, basically sports bras

1. They can cause breathing difficulties and cracked ribs but we make sure we give proper medical advice on wearing them safely. (I think Green even said they are better than kids using tape on themselves)

1. They are dangerous but kids will seek them out anyway so this way they don't risk extra harms from unregulated, dangerous websites etc

Similar contradictory arguments for for puberty blockers. There is zero consistency

We have to talk about parents who enable in this context too. I know personally one woman (a single parent) whose daughter socially transitioned to non-binary pronouns and name a couple of years ago, and earlier this year this woman was complaining on Facebook because she couldn't find a doctor in our state that would put her thirteen year old on testosterone, and was going to take them to a big city in a nearby state to find a doctor who would. The 'suicide' threat is a powerful stimulus to parents to enable.

Since Mermaids said that if they don't they will kill themselves...

It's bizarre, since when did kids wanting an unsafe drug and trying to get it illegally mean we should just give it to them?

Did you read how the research was done? The Mermaids researcher asked the kids, “following Bell v Tavistock, are you more likely to try to get hormones from abroad or a private doctor or on the dark web…” or words to that effect. Now I’m not naive about how internet-savvy teenagers can be, but still… talk about a leading question! Poor form for any sort of research, but when it’s also potentially planting ideas in vulnerable kids’ heads, well…

And just think about what the government have done to cigarette packaging and the age you can buy them and locking them up behind shutters to protect children yet at the same time they are all just happily letting all this shit be done to kids.

ENOUGH

This shit needs to end.

Someone is sharing information on where to get this stuff too. Where is that happening? And why do they know what to get in the first place?

Theres a whole pile of safeguarding questions going on there.

I'm gong to be honest I'm an intelligent (no honestly I am!) Woman (again honestly I am!) But I have no clue as to how to access the dark side of the internet. If I had a teenager that could, first I'd get them to show me how just in case I lose my handy drug dealer and then...then I'd take their access to any web enabled device away!

Seriously with Reds cult info, and Purgatory's (different thread) horrendous links to phalloplasty I'm so glad I don't have kids being subjected to this shit!

I just want to wake up but instead I seem stuck in some very very long nightmare.

These kids are going to be fucking miserable as sterilized scarred hormone dependant adults.

Any adult who goes along with this shit, endorses this shit, pushes this shit onto innocent bloody kids should be in fucking prison.

DARVO is clearly another mermaids talent.

Quite, Red. I think we need to know more about those Discord servers, for starters.

Why and how are teens managing to access the dark web and how are they spending money there without parents being aware of whats going on?

This should work too

news.yahoo.com/trans-children-turn-dark-puberty-190301161.html

Telegraph's latest:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/03/trans-children-turn-dark-web-puberty-blockers-claims-mermaids/

"Transgender children are turning to the dark web and overseas for puberty blockers, Mermaids has warned as it demands free access for under 18s.
...

In a report released last week, the charity claimed that young people were “left in limbo” when NHS England froze access to new puberty-blocker prescriptions after the case.
The report took aim at “barriers to gender-affirming healthcare” still being experienced two years later and called on health chiefs to “ensure young trans people have access to the timely and appropriate gender affirming healthcare they are entitled to”.
...

Dr Abby Barras, a researcher at Mermaids, said: “Despite Bell v Tavistock being permanently overturned, the repercussions of the case are still felt today, and accessing gender affirming healthcare for young trans people remains challenging, to put it mildly.”"

Yes that's a great interview.

‘Trans’ is not one phenomenon so clearly ‘detrans’ won’t be one phenomenon either

Sinead Watson and Tullip had a conversation about this: What is detrans?

I can't find it now but it was more the descriptions his partner was giving of the parents/ mothers of trans children that I found bang on in the context of this thread.

I think it right that detrans Reddit is firmly not a "GC" space. No non detrans or questioning people allowed. I don't like the label "GC" either, as it's seen as a homogeneous group and we aren't. Separate issues get lost in translation. It becomes "them and us."

The issues and analysis around anyone detransing is more about safeguarding processes and gatekeeping, medical negligence, homophobia and how manipulation and abuse were used or are a part of the transition process (agp.)

Bit like a Royal Marine.

(amphibious armed forces).

This dude was on Joe Rogan a while back.

Apart from a lady-name there was absolute nothing about him that suggested even the vaguest sort of ‘transition’. Perhaps he was all-in at some point and the exogenous estrogen had long ago tanked his gender ‘euphoria’?

Here’s a clip:

I do think there is some sort of manifestation of the controversial three letter acronym that is perhaps related to a sort of PTSD after armed conflict (wanting to be a new person, one who hadn’t seen/done bad things, a stereotypical non-violent, fantasy biddable slady-person, which is really a man avoiding complex feelings with sexual diversions) but that’s not a feminism issue to solve.

So yep, Tinsel makes a good point. ‘Trans’ is not one phenomenon so clearly ‘detrans’ won’t be one phenomenon either.

We can be discerning as to who we support post transition, for sure.

Stands for (United States Navy) Sea, Air, and Land .

A member of Special Ops as part of a United States Navy Sea, Air, and Land (SEAL) Team.

American Special Ops division. Roughly the same as the SAS

what actually is a SEAL anyway???