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An excellent piece from Glinner

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Tricyrtis2022 · 02/12/2022 10:47

I was invited to deliver a few words at the Battle of Ideas party being held tonight. here is the full text of what I hope is a short speech.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/my-speech-at-the-battle-of-ideas

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DevilinaCardigan · 07/12/2022 20:43

EL0ISE · 07/12/2022 14:55

And me. Its the way that so many men believe that our human rights are theirs to give and take away as they see fit.

And it’s also incredibly transphobic as these men don’t see trans women as women, they see them as, possibly different or lesser, but still men who must be prioritised over actual biological women. If they saw them as women, they wouldn’t give a shiny shit about them. As always men’s feelings over women’s safety.
Men like @Glinner who stand up to this shit give me hope and I know not all men are like that 😃.

SereneSemolina · 07/12/2022 15:15

And me. My relationship with my brother will never recover.

EL0ISE · 07/12/2022 14:55

And me. Its the way that so many men believe that our human rights are theirs to give and take away as they see fit.

TheKeatingFive · 07/12/2022 14:04

In some ways, one of the most upsetting things to me about this battle for women's rights, is how so many men that I thought were good men are - and were - totally willing to throw women and girls under the bus for other men.

Yes, me too.

DevilinaCardigan · 07/12/2022 13:38

"I suggest another reason is that this ideology benefits one group in particular across every level of society. Men."

Damn - this is perfect. In some ways, one of the most upsetting things to me about this battle for women's rights, is how so many men that I thought were good men are - and were - totally willing to throw women and girls under the bus for other men. Men they didn't even know. The confusion on their little males faces when challenged and asked to think of women and girls as whole human beings not support animals has made me so angry and depressed. It has really laid bare the deep-seated misogyny in the world.

On a more lighthearted note - I've been introducing DS to Father Ted and the IT Crowd. He loves the IT Crowd (we just watched the I thought you said you were from Iran one - its on Netflix), but he doesn't really get the Catholic jokes on Father Ted. And comfort scone from Count Arthur Strong is part of our family lexicon.

BoreOfWhabylon · 07/12/2022 13:09

That's a fascinating and wide-ranging interview, @ILikeDungs
Thanks for sharing.

ILikeDungs · 07/12/2022 11:58
Ritascornershop · 05/12/2022 19:53

@Glinner Thank you Graham, from Canada. As you know from the very eloquent Arty, it’s dire here. I just heard from another close friend that their daughter is now “non-binary”. The whole ideology is absolutely rampant and entrenched here. Thank you for all you do.

TheYummyPatler · 05/12/2022 14:00

Interestingly, the etymology of right/left in many languages is such that ‘right’ is associated with good and correct, while left is associated with bad and wrong.

Yet, so often we use the moral hierarchy the other way around when talking about politics. You see it again here in the idea that it would be abhorrent to fraternise with the political right and we valorise the left.

Of course, that’s because the concept of a left/right political shift comes from where people sat in the French National Assembly during the revolution.

It does mean that in politics we quite often talk about the right when we mean the (people we think are) wrong.

Not necessarily useful or important, but interesting. It always strikes me as a bit linguistically absurd. @Glinner might appreciate that absurdity and have something more amusing to say about it than me. 😁

I suspect the best way of responding to people who crop up to berate anyone who considers speaking to or near ‘the right/wrong’ might be to simply appreciate the absurdity.

GailForce10 · 05/12/2022 13:20

Boiledbeetle · 02/12/2022 20:02

FFS. Glinner doesn't exactly have an awful lot of options as to where he gets to speak these days.

So for once could the but but but brigade just give it a fucking rest and appreciate the words he said instead of pontificating over the fucking location at which he said them.

They appear to come from accounts which have been specially created to smear (by weasel words)

XanaduKira · 05/12/2022 12:58

He really has paid the highest price, hasn't he @Cailin66 - career and marriage ruined simply for speaking out on behalf of women. Unbelievable. He's done so well simply for continuing to carry on.

Cailin66 · 05/12/2022 11:08

TheKeatingFive · 02/12/2022 18:17

Fuck right off with the guilt by association purity bollocks. Start asking why left wing platforms aren't covering this instead.

It's always the same playbook isn't it.

Glinner and his wife were fully supportive of Irish women in relation to abortion. When it was a subject that many were fearful of. I will never forget him for that alone.

His credentials as a supporter of women are impeccable. He has been a very brave defender of women. For which he has paid a heavy price. What is important is the content of his speech not whataboutery of where it was hosted.

Thank you Graham Linehan for all you do for us. Your speech was excellent. I would have loved to have heard you speak it.

Kucingsparkles · 05/12/2022 10:59

Ah, thank you @XanaduKira ! I did think they had to be something like that.

(Enjoyed the irony of the fleas poster just afterwards.)

SinnerBoy · 05/12/2022 10:02

Here's a letter to the Guardian, regarding Nicola Sturgeon and her self ID idiocy. It's by transexual, Debbie Hayton:

www.theguardian.com/global/commentisfree/2022/dec/04/observer-letters-nicola-sturgeon-trans-rights

Sonia Sodha is right to expose the ludicrous naivety at the heart of Nicola Sturgeon’s reforms to the Gender Recognition Act in Scotland (“Sturgeon’s plans to reform gender law could leave Tories as the champions of women’s rights”, Comment).

As a transsexual, I am astonished and appalled that a bill purporting to extend trans rights compromises the rights of women and undermines the safeguarding of children. When distinguishing men from women, it is neither progressive nor practical to replace biological sex with self-identified feelings of gender – whatever gender might mean.

XanaduKira · 05/12/2022 07:45

Love Glinner.

@Kucingsparkles cooties are fleas / bedbugs etc.

Delphinium20 · 05/12/2022 06:56

Wonderful, powerful speech. Thank you.

Bosky · 05/12/2022 04:28

Eloquent and concise! I was welling up by the end of it:

"If together we turn our full attention to this grave threat to enlightenment values, if together we break through the wall of silence and fear on this issue, to reject the taboos and speech codes to which we are all suddenly subject, then together, we may find ourselves better able to fight whatever unexpected, viral threat the Internet has in store for us next. Thank you."

I hope the party was fun too, @Glinner - you deserve a break from the constant battle and have paid such a high price for supporting women's rights and protecting children.

If you find that anyone filmed that speech, do come back and let us know.

ps. the "I thought it was obvious" refrain reminded me of this song by Au Pairs:

"It's Obvious"

Chorus You’re equal But different You’re equal But different You’re equal but different You’re equal but different You’re equal but different You’re equal but different You’re equal but different You’re equal but different You’re equal but different You’re equal but different It’s obvious (it's obvious) It’s obvious (it's obvious) It’s obvious (it's obvious) So obvious (so obvious) It’s obvious (it's obvious) So obvious (so obvious) It’s obvious (it's obvious) So obvious (so obvious)
landOFconfusion · 05/12/2022 01:22

Pickawindow · 02/12/2022 18:53

“When a maniac is at the door, feuding brothers (and sisters) reconcile”

Lie down with dogs … wake up with fleas.

ValancyRedfern · 04/12/2022 10:33

Backstreets · 04/12/2022 10:10

Very good speech. I'm really awed by this man's sense of principle. His position really hasn't budged, even if only ten years later are mainstream outlets starting to gently investigate the problems he pointed out in the beginning.

I am also in awe of @Glinner. He never gives in just for an easy life. No other man has been so dogged in this fight. He could have slunk off and saved his career but he didn't

Kucingsparkles · 04/12/2022 10:30

TheYummyPatler · 02/12/2022 23:31

Isn’t it ridiculous how easily ‘oh, I don’t like these people he said that near’ turns into a derailment that distracts from the substance of what he said.

Is it simply that people realise they aren’t capable of challenging the arguments so they find some way to dismiss everything before even having to risk listening?

Just echoing this!

It's like the Righteous Grown-Up-Playground-Behaviour version of "Don't let him tig you! He's got cooties!"

(What are cooties, by the way?)

Backstreets · 04/12/2022 10:10

Very good speech. I'm really awed by this man's sense of principle. His position really hasn't budged, even if only ten years later are mainstream outlets starting to gently investigate the problems he pointed out in the beginning.

Scarfymcscarface · 04/12/2022 09:46

This bogus diversity benefits men, and there are plenty of hands on deck to ensure an absurd situation continues for as long as possible.

good speech glinner and thanks for sharing it OP, more people need to read stuff like this. I know exactly what he means when he says a siren is going off and you wonder why others cannot hear it too.

There’s a lot of useful idiots who are placing children in danger by blindly going along with this insidious ideology in the name of “inclusiveness” and a culture of not wanting to question it for fear of seeming “unkind” to differences. The pharma companies must be laughing all the way to the bank.

We need more people like you glinner who are willing to put their heads above the parapet despite the great personal cost. Thank you for keeping on but look after yourself too.

ILikeDungs · 03/12/2022 17:06

TheKeatingFive · 02/12/2022 18:17

Fuck right off with the guilt by association purity bollocks. Start asking why left wing platforms aren't covering this instead.

Exactly. I was at BOI and attended the "Can We Take a Joke?" (I think it was called) session where Graham was on the panel. A young woman asked a question at the end, quite GI sympathetic, and Graham's response was to thank her for attending and being brave enough to speak up. He was very welcoming and compassionate. Did not shut her down but tried to have a discussion. This is what BOI is about fgs. So yes, fuck off with the purity spirals. It was a great day.

Abhannmor · 03/12/2022 15:13

@Glinner can write a damned good speech on a serious topic as well as comedy gold.

IWannaDismemberFairies · 03/12/2022 08:41

It's like the broken mirror at the beginning of The Snow Queen.

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