Scottish women's groups hit back after UN official's trans law reform warning - remember their names

This is appalling. I'm relieved that the women working at grass roots level are sane, but these people are selling out whole swathes of activity. What can be done to stop them?

I left Amnesty when they failed to give me a reasonable answer of why they supported violent protests against a women against violence conference. (A few years ago in the UK).

They talked down to me for daring to object!

Truly shocked. I’d been a member all of my life. Where is their focus on actual human rights abuse rather than privileged men?

I think it's really worth noting this idea that these groups see the way to dealing with problems like rape as being about a kind of wholesale change of "the system."

It's totally abstracted, and they seem to think that if we change this system, we will become wholly different kinds of human beings. We will not be bothered by hang-ups like privacy, and rape will be done with as well.

All these yahoos have degrees in fake subjects that teach fake systems based on fake ideas about human nature.

Its sickening to see organisations in the women's sector so thoroughly captured.

No surprises there sadly.

^^This.

They are all disgusting. I'm afraid it looks like women in Scotland are going to have to mobilise and start all over again as these organisations have totally failed and betrayed them. Shameful. Beyond shameful.

yes we should refuse to call them women's groups when they quite clearly are MRA groups. They have not dressed up their misogyny as much as they hoped.

These so called women's organisations run by people so high on their own virtuousnes make me absolutely sick. I will even go so far as to say that I actually think it's evil

Yup, these are the "managerials" who self identify as our representation and they do not fucking like it one bit when the lessers won't do what they're telt.

I assumed from the thread title that Scottish women's groups were challenging the Scottish government as a result of the UN rapporteur's comments and request for a pause in the proposed legislation. Women's groups are for women, after all. Turns out these groups are not what I'd call women's groups but more into prioritising males over women and girls' needs.

From what I've heard women working in organisations directly providing services to women often don't share these ideas. It seems to be more the high head yins.

What a load of self-serving bollocks.

Rape Crisis is a ScotGov mouthpiece.

These charity workers in Scotland and these organisations are all inter woven with each other and get money off the Scottish government if they do as they are told

The other issue is that there will be no record of the women who have self excluded from their services, of course. So how would they measure the impact?

What horrors they are.
Fucking horrors.

They could easily provide women only services alongside their trans support etc but no.

Fucking horrors.

In what sense are these 'women's groups' and if they are busy defending what they see as the rights of people who 'identify as a woman', who is looking after the interests of the vast remaining majority of females discriminated against because of their body and not their identity?

you don’t need to be an expert on rape support services to recognise that single sex spaces is going to be a user need for large swathes of service users.

Nor to recognise how dreadful it is to tell women who object to males in rape survivor groups that they’re bigots in need of reeducation. Which is the rape crisis Edinburgh (and presumably Scotland) position on the matter.

The Amnesty Scotland lead was outspoken in her defence of Mermaids when the recent controversy broke over the Charity Commission compliance thing.

Do they never stop to wonder if they're maybe not quite right in some of this?!

I am a rape survivor. Thankfully I am long past needing help but I would not have attended any rape support group where there was a biological male present and would not have engaged with any support offered by a biological male.
Any rape support services that do not support women's right to feel this way and access services accordingly is excluding women who feel like me.
Trans women and men need services too, but they need to be separate.
Very sad. I'm glad I don't live in Scotland.

This is vile - that these organizations using violence against women and girls to obtain funding and status won’t even support basic human rights for women. They really think we are worthless.

You don't have to be an expert surely to realise that some (many?) victims of VAWG are not comfortable in the presence of males?