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So, do women actually have the right to privacy and dignity?

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Blacklamp · 30/11/2022 09:56

I’ve been watching the video clip of the Sturgeon / VAWG meeting, and it’s highlighted to me how little focus there has been on the right to privacy and dignity. For valid reasons, the main focus has been on women’s safety; however, I wonder if a result of this is that supporters of self-ID never have to address or justify their views on women’s privacy and dignity.

I think their responses might be a powerful eye-opener to the public, as it’s something almost all women and girls can relate to, perhaps unlike safety.

A focus on privacy and dignity also means that accusations of transphobia in relation to transwomen posing a risk to women, won't derail the focus of conversations about single-sex spaces.

Privacy and dignity are human rights that are continually promoted in the NHS and social care as fundamental to good practice. These rights also influence safeguarding policies.

I’d like to ask Sturgeon, and others . . .
Do women with a lifelong history of sexual violence perpetrated by males have the right to privacy and dignity in single-sex spaces, away from male bodies?

Does a 13-year girl have the right to privacy and dignity, away from male bodies, whilst changing her sanitary towel at school?

Do women without a history of trauma have the right to privacy and dignity, away from male bodies, in the changing area of a sports club, if that is important to them?

I’m guessing the response would be, ‘transwomen are also entitled to privacy and dignity' which of course is the case, but third spaces would fulfil that need. At least that would move the conversation on to the practicalities of third spaces rather than 'nothing to see here . . .'

The alternative response is that women don't have the right to privacy and dignity, away from male bodies. I want to hear them say it.

By the way, I don't want to minimise the efforts of some of the incredible feminists who have addressed the issue of privacy and dignity, but I can’t recall seeing or reading an interview in which supporters of self-ID have been forced to address this issue specifically, because the conversation is usually focussed on safety, and how vulnerable transwomen are.

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Whatsnewpussyhat · 30/11/2022 10:20

So sick of the narrative that this subset of men are somehow the most 'vulnerable' and fragile people who must be protected and pandered to by women at their own expense, whilst the teenage girls caught up in gender batshit who ARE likely to be very vulnerable and fragile are forgotten about and ignored.

WagnersFourthSymphony · 30/11/2022 10:17

I'm guessing there'd be a big eye roll from NS at the suggestion, because here you are again, trying to drive a wedge between one group of women and another.

Because what you're really doing is defining 'women' as a sex class, something the right side of history people never want to do. Or else you're talking about 'c-s women' and any fule kno they are a privileged group so it would be like asking if men have a right to keep women out of the golf club.

Of course it's not remotely like that. The more we are held back from talking about women as a sex class the harder it becomes to raise these questions of privacy and dignity. And of course that's not accidental.

Incidentally, many men understand the concept of privacy and dignity when they find women filing past them at the urinals.

Blacklamp · 30/11/2022 10:09

MichelleScarn - yes, but it would be hard to respond in that way, as privacy and dignity aren't about safety, so she wouldn't be answering the question. At least that would be clear, and she could be pulled up on that.

And yes, she believes the needs of TW are most important, but I don't think she'd be able to actually say that, so what would she say, I wonder?

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Kucinghitam · 30/11/2022 10:04

Excellent question, OP.

MichelleScarn · 30/11/2022 10:03

Basically NS answer to that is 'there's no risk to anyone, what are you on about, stop being a bigot. Focus on the needs of TW they are the most important.'